442891 - [gl] Search engine setup for Firefox 3 for Galician.

Status: RESOLVED FIXED

(Mozilla Localizations :: gl / Galician, defect)

Description

[Axel Hecht [:Pike]]

We want to ship Firefox 3 a good list of search engines for Galician. 

We're going to work towards this in three phases. First, the localization team and Mic (Michal Berman) will look at the market for the language and come up with a good set of search providers. Suso, we'll need your input on this, the guidelines for making recommendations are on http://wiki.mozilla.org/Firefox_web_services_guidelines. Pascal might be able to help out, too.

For en-US, we currently use this set, to which we can fall back in the case of lacking localized alternatives:
Google, Yahoo, Amazon, Answers, CC, eBay, Wikipedia

After we decided on a particular search engine, Mic will contact the owner and ask for permission, and for specifics like proper search flags. undefined, we'll likely need your help to at least get the contact information.

Once we have a specification on what the searchengines for Galician should look like, the localization team and Axel will work on an implementation on that. This should happen by the localization team creating and attaching patches for the desired changes, and requesting review from Axel. After a successful review, the localization team will land them.

Please don't commit any modifications in l10n/gl/browser/searchplugins to the cvs repository without a patch reviewed by Axel or someone else appointed by Mic. The data here is sensitive to users and our search partners, thus the extra care here.

Comment 1

[Suso Baleato]

(In reply to comment #0)
> We want to ship Firefox 3 a good list of search engines for Galician. 

Generic search
--------------
- Google in Galician language:
http://www.google.es/setprefs?sig=0_27O9mRQ7KTU3FfNI8YEeyNypvSQ=&hl=gl

- Yahoo (*)

Local search
------------
Chuza.org. An example:
http://chuza.org/?search=firefox

e-commerce search
-----------------
Same ones as en-US (*)

Special interest
----------------
- A dictionary: http://www.agal-gz.org/estraviz/
- The wikipedia in galician language: http://gl.wikipedia.org
- CC can be ok

(*) When there are no available galician language localizations of this services, then you'll better use the ones linguistical closest; in this order: first portuguese, then spanish, englisch.

Comment 2

[Mic Berman]

per comment #1 so final list is:

Google in galician
Yahoo pt-PT
agal-gz.org/estraviz
Amazon.com
Chuza.org
Creative Commons
eBay.com
gl.wikipedia.org

For Chuza - it appears that the site ranks local results higher which is good and user experience is clean enough
We will need their explicit permission to include them and to build a search plug in - Have you been in touch with them yet?
Same for agal-gz.org/estraviz

Comment 3

[Suso Baleato]

(In reply to comment #2)
> per comment #1 so final list is:
> 
> Google in galician
> Yahoo pt-PT
> agal-gz.org/estraviz
> Amazon.com
> Chuza.org
> Creative Commons
> eBay.com
> gl.wikipedia.org
> 
> For Chuza - it appears that the site ranks local results higher which is good
> and user experience is clean enough
> We will need their explicit permission to include them and to build a search
> plug in - Have you been in touch with them yet?
> Same for agal-gz.org/estraviz
> 

Yes, I informed them telling that Mozilla ppl accepted my petition to add both services for the default Firefox 3 galician version. If you need their mail address to confirm, just tell me and I'll send you privately.

Thanks,

Comment 4

[Mic Berman]

Suso, please send me their mail privately, that would be great.
Pike, then we can move forward and add patch etc to close this bug :)

Comment 5

[Suso Baleato]

done.

Comment 6

[Mic Berman]

suso, still haven't received their mail with permission, if you can help that'd be great.
also, might i suggest that in the mean time you submit a patch for review with these plug-ins

Comment 7

[Suso Baleato]

My fault, Chuza mail was mistaken, I sent a reply with the correct one.

What about agal estraviz? Did you obtained their permission?

Comment 8

[Suso Baleato]

(In reply to comment #6)

> also, might i suggest that in the mean time you submit a patch for review with
> these plug-ins
> 

Mike, I'm sorry but I don't know how to do that. Is there any example on how to do that? What are exactly those plug-ins? How can I submit that patch?

Thanks in advance!

Comment 9

[Axel Hecht [:Pike]]

Nit, Mic is no Mike. Mic in her case is short for Michal.

AFAICT, we didn't get an OK on which params to use for either Chuza nor agal, so we can't patch those yet.

What we could and should patch already are wikipedia and yahoo.

But: There is no yahoo pt-PT, for pt-PT we use br.search.yahoo.com. For es-ES, we use es.search.yahoo.com. Which is better?

CCing Gavin, he offered help in writing patches for search.

Comment 10

[Suso Baleato]

(In reply to comment #9)
> Nit, Mic is no Mike. Mic in her case is short for Michal.
> 

Thanks for the advice, it was a confussion in my side.

> AFAICT, we didn't get an OK on which params to use for either Chuza nor agal,
> so we can't patch those yet.
> 

Tell me if I can help on that. In the case of Chuza I found that this works:

http://chuza.org/?search= 

But I don't know if that is what you are searching for.

> What we could and should patch already are wikipedia and yahoo.
> 
> But: There is no yahoo pt-PT, for pt-PT we use br.search.yahoo.com. For es-ES,
> we use es.search.yahoo.com. Which is better?
> 

In this case es.search.yahoo.com will be better, as they include services better suited for galician firefox users.

> CCing Gavin, he offered help in writing patches for search.
> 

Comment 11

[Suso Baleato]

Mic, it seems that Chuza only was asked for confirmation for RSS feed (442894) but I found no permission/parameter asking for the search thing, which seems to be the same case of AGAL.

Might I ask them for permission/parameters, or will you do that, as you did with 442894? 

Comment 12

[Suso Baleato]

Hi,

It seems patches are indeed ready for Firefox:

* Chuza: http://chuza.org/opensearch.xml

* Estraviz: You might go to http://www.agal-gz.org/estraviz/ and then you'll find the option under the search bar selection combo. You can select two: the correct one is the "X" one. 

If you can't manage to obtain the xml just tell me.

Comment 13

[Suso Baleato]

Hi

AGAL made available their search plugin here:

http://www.agal-gz.org/estraviz/estravizX.xml

Thanks,

Comment 14

[Mic Berman]

received permission from agal - Vítor Manuel Lourenço Peres - in an email August 7. waiting on confirmation of search parameters.

received permission from chua - Berto Yáñez - waiting on confirmation of search parameters

in both cases search parameters suggested are "from=fx3"

Comment 15

[Mic Berman]

confirmed from comment #14 
Chuza is ok with standard parameters. note, spelled Chuza incorrectly, should have been Chuza vs. "chua"

Comment 16

[Mic Berman]

Suso, need a patch to close this bug out. Let us know if you need help. Copying Gavin and Gandalf in case.

Comment 17

[Suso Baleato]

Ok. (concurrently) working on that.

Comment 18

[Axel Hecht [:Pike]]

Attachment: Galicianize the en-US plugin set (landed)

This patch just implements those parts that affect the en-US plugins. Here's what I do:

remove answers

amazondotcom -> amazon.co.uk (like we do in pt-PT)
ebay.com -> ebay.es (like in es-ES)
wikipedia -> gl.wikipedia.org
yahoo -> yahoo.es (like in es-ES)

Suso, if you'd review this, I could land this. This should be the last blocker for Beta.

Comment 19

[Suso Baleato]

Comment on attachment 333930 [details] [diff] [review]
Galicianize the en-US plugin set (landed)

Axel, I can confirm that conf is OK. You can definitely land that.

Thanks,

Comment 20

[Axel Hecht [:Pike]]

Comment on attachment 333930 [details] [diff] [review]
Galicianize the en-US plugin set (landed)

Checked this one in. (Denoting Suso's review, too.)

Comment 21

[Staś Małolepszy :stas]

I see this both in CVS and HG now, closing the bug. Thanks.