454935 - [calendar integration] remove lightning toolbar

Status: VERIFIED DUPLICATE of bug 456379

(Calendar :: Lightning Only, defect, P1)

Description

[Bryan Clark (DevTools PM) [:clarkbw]]

Part of the calendar integration we need to remove the toolbar from lightning and move toward having more inline context controls for the items that are currently in the toolbar.  bug 452281 describes the new toolbar being implemented, which is a much simpler view and cannot be swapped out.  Changes are described in more detail in the provided wiki page.

Comment 1

[Pete Riley]

I added my thoughts at bug 452281 comment 5 about the proposed changes to Thunderbird's main toolbar.

I also don't like the idea with respect to Lightning.  First, I don't like the idea of Month View being cluttered with an embedded toolbar or a list of commands like "Reload Remote Calendars" or such.  I think the month view should be clean and look like a paper wall calendar, with the buttons kept out of the view and put instead on Thunderbird's main toolbar at the top of the window.

Second, I don't see anything wrong with the buttons on the main toolbar changing depending on whether I'm looking at Mail, Calendar, Tasks, or Contacts.  This seems perfect to me.  If it's wrong for the main toolbar to change depending on the context of the current view, then it seems just as wrong if the embedded toolbar changes when I change views.  The only difference is that the embedded toolbar is maybe an inch lower on the screen.

Third, when I'm looking at Month view for example, I will never use the GetMail button on the main toolbar, so why is it there and why should it deserve such a prominent display?  In addition, in month view, I'm much less likely to need to click the Write button on the main toolbar and much more likely to want to click the New Event button, yet only the Write button is prominently displayed on the main toolbar.  It doesn't make sense to me.

In general, I'm not a fan of Outlook, but I think it's a pretty good assumption that Microsoft does a lot of user research before it designs its toolbars.  In Outlook 2007, the main toolbar changes depending on whether the current view is Mail, Calendar, Tasks, Contact, etc.  In the calendar's Month View, the only embedded buttons (that matter) are to switch between Day/Week/Month view.  There are almost no other buttons or junk that clutters the main view.

Comment 2

[Heribert Wettels]

Like with Bug 454931 I support Pete's opinion.

Maybe a split Folder Pane with separate scrollbars is worth consinderation. But a mode switcher with horizontal bars (yes, like Outlook which in general I neither like nor use) might be the graphically nicer option.

Comment 3

[Philipp Kewisch [:Fallen][☁️📆]]

(In reply to comment #1)
> I added my thoughts at bug 452281 comment 5 about the proposed changes to
> Thunderbird's main toolbar.
> 
> I also don't like the idea with respect to Lightning.  First, I don't like the
> idea of Month View being cluttered with an embedded toolbar or a list of
> commands like "Reload Remote Calendars" or such.  I think the month view should
> be clean and look like a paper wall calendar, with the buttons kept out of the
> view and put instead on Thunderbird's main toolbar at the top of the window.
Only the view toolbarbuttons made it into the actual view, which I think is still lean and mean. We'll try not to clutter the view more!



> 
> Second, I don't see anything wrong with the buttons on the main toolbar
> changing depending on whether I'm looking at Mail, Calendar, Tasks, or
> Contacts.  This seems perfect to me.  If it's wrong for the main toolbar to
> change depending on the context of the current view, then it seems just as
> wrong if the embedded toolbar changes when I change views.  The only difference
> is that the embedded toolbar is maybe an inch lower on the screen.



> 
> Third, when I'm looking at Month view for example, I will never use the GetMail
> button on the main toolbar, so why is it there and why should it deserve such a
> prominent display?  In addition, in month view, I'm much less likely to need to
> click the Write button on the main toolbar and much more likely to want to
> click the New Event button, yet only the Write button is prominently displayed
> on the main toolbar.  It doesn't make sense to me.
Personally I agree. As soon as the new toolbar makes it into thunderbird, we'll only have two buttons. I think we should have the write button be tab dependant as in outlook, but thunderbird UX disagrees here. The "download" button should actually download calendar items too (bug 461130), so I think that button makes sense as it is.

I hope this satisfies your comments. I'm trying to consolidate bugs here, so if there are any remaining problems, please move them to the respective bugs.