Closed Bug 464470 Opened 16 years ago Closed 15 years ago

[oc] The "Getting Started" page for Occitan

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(Mozilla Localizations :: oc / Occitan, defect)

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RESOLVED FIXED

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(Reporter: stas, Unassigned)

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A new Firefox profile includes a link to the "Getting started" page on the Bookmarks toolbar. The objective of this page is to provide the users with a few task-based starting points. They could use them to enjoy the web and discover sites that will help them get the most out of Firefox, and the Internet in general. This page will be aimed towards beginning and intermediate Web users. We want to promote community/user oriented collaborative sites with good user experience in your region and language, and good standards support.

The current en-US defaults for this page are:
 The 'Work' category: Google Docs, Remember the Milk, LinkedIn, Clipmarks Add-on
 The 'Learn' category: Wikipedia, Topix, HowStuffWorks.com, Answers Add-on
 The 'Play' category: YouTube, Hype Machine, Miro, PicLens Add-on
 The 'Connect' category: Criagslist, Yelp, Facebook, Me.dium Add-on 

(See the en-US page at http://www.mozilla.com/en-US/firefox/central/.)

We would like to provide a good set of links on this page for our Occitan users.

First, the localization team and Stas (Stas Malolepszy) will look at the market for your language and come up with a good candidates. Yannig, we'll need your input on this, of course. The guidelines for making recommendations are on https://wiki.mozilla.org/Firefox_web_services_guidelines.

Second, once we have a good list of candidates, your localization team will localize the 'Getting Started' index.html file which can be found here: http://viewvc.svn.mozilla.org/vc/projects/mozilla.com/trunk/en-US/firefox/central/index.html?revision=18714&content-type=text%2Fplain changing the en-US default as agreed in the first step.

The logos should be named sites-<sitename>.png and should be 110px wide and 65px high on white or transparent background. Stas can help on getting the logos from the website owners.

The localized index.html and the logos should be then attached in a ZIP archive to this bug, and a review should be requested from Stas (stas@mozilla.com) and Pascal (pascalc@gmail.com). Once the review have been granted, Pascal will take over to push the localized page on the server.

Thank you.
I did some research, mostly using these two sites:
* http://www.dmoz.org/World/Occitan/
* http://www.alexa.com/browse/general/?&CategoryID=556318&mode=general&Start=1&SortBy=Popularity

A couple of sites I thought might be useful:
(Connect)
http://www.occitania.org/forum/ 

(Learn)
http://www.institutoccitan.com/

(Play/Connect, choose one or two?)
http://www.radio-occitania.com/oc-porgida.php
http://www.radiolengadoc.com/
http://www.radio-pais.com/

Yannig, what do you think about these? Please feel free to suggest other websites. We can keep some of the en-US defaults as well. The objective of this page is to provide the users with a few task-based starting points they could use to enjoy the web and discover sites that will help them get the most out of Firefox (and the Internet in general). This page will be aimed towards beginning and intermediate Web users. We want to promote community/user oriented collaborative sites with good user experience in the locale and good standards support. (from: https://wiki.mozilla.org/Firefox_web_services_guidelines#The_.22Getting_started.22_page)
Rather http://forom.totenoc.org/ than http://www.occitania.org/forum/ as forum.
Rather http://ieo-oc.org/ than http://www.institutoccitan.com/ as learning access (more institutional).
Great for http://www.radio-occitania.com/oc-porgida.php and http://www.radiolengadoc.com/
Thanks for asking me again, I can't find time to do everything and I may forget things like that...
Great, thanks for the comment, Yannig. Any other suggestions you'd like to make? Maybe some links on the French version of the site (http://fr.www.mozilla.com/fr/firefox/central/) would make sense to you?

Current suggestion:

Work
* Google Docs
* Remember the Milk
* LinkedIn
* Clipmarks Add-on

Learn
* Wikipedia
* Topix --> http://ieo-oc.org/
* HowStuffWorks
* Answers Add-on

Play
* YouTube
* Hype Machine --> http://www.radio-occitania.com/oc-porgida.php
* (new link) --> http://www.radiolengadoc.com/
* Miro
* PicLens Add-on

Connect
* Craigslist --> http://forom.totenoc.org/
* Yelp
* Facebook
* Me.dium Add-on
The problem is that so many of those tools are not available in Occitan so I don't know whether we should have the links on the page...
(In reply to comment #4)
> The problem is that so many of those tools are not available in Occitan so I
> don't know whether we should have the links on the page...

My understanding is that many Occitan speakers are familiar with French, too. Please correct me if I'm wrong. This is why I believe that some of the sites featured on http://fr.www.mozilla.com/fr/firefox/central/ will be more relevant to Occitan users than the en-US defaults (e.g. Viadeo, Kijiji, Cityvox).

I was thinking about using Cityvox instead of Yelp, maybe adding Kijiji to the Connect category too. Not sure about Viadeo instead of LinkedIn. What do you think Yannig?
I agree with you about French tools by default (and Occitan ones if there is one).
I don't know about Cityvox, Kijiji, Viadeo, LinkedIn, etc. :-(
OK, here's what I'm proposing:

Work
* Google Docs
* Remember the Milk
* LinkedIn -> http://viadeo.fr
* Clipmarks Add-on

Learn
* Wikipedia -> http://oc.wikipedia.org
* Topix --> http://ieo-oc.org/
* HowStuffWorks (I'm not happy with this, maybe we can find something better later)
* Answers Add-on

Play
* YouTube
* Hype Machine --> http://www.radio-occitania.com/oc-porgida.php
* (new link) --> http://www.radiolengadoc.com/
* Miro
* Cooliris Add-on

Connect
* Craigslist --> http://forom.totenoc.org/
* Yelp --> http://cityvox.fr
* (new link) http://kijiji.fr
* Facebook
* Shareaholic Add-on

I think it would be cool if we could close this bug soon. Please let me know what you think about the choices above.
I'd just add http://www.ostaldoccitania.net/news.php?lng=oc (next to cityvox) and that would be perfect.
We already have them in the Live Bookmark, no? I think this site fits way better as the live bookmark than on the getting started page. And having more than 4 links in one category is visually a bit too much (the list would extend too far to the bottom), so I would be in favor of keeping forom.totenoc.org/, cityvox, kijiji and facebook.

The file to modify is here:
http://viewvc.svn.mozilla.org/vc/projects/mozilla.com/trunk/en-US/firefox/central/index.html?content-type=text%2Fplain&view=co

Please attach it here and request review from me. Let me know if you need any help preparing the logos, I'll be happy to help.

Thanks!
Hey Yannig. If we manage to close this bug by this Friday, there would be a chance that we de-beta Occitan in 3.0.7. Can you take a look at my previous comment and let me know if I can help somehow?

Thanks!
Yannig, I'd like to help out with the HTML for this page. Do you think you could provide descriptions of the sites listed in comment 7 in Occitan (the English originals for en-US sites can be found at http://www.mozilla.com/en-US/firefox/central/ ). I could then prepare the HTML, so that you don't have to worry about that. Still trying to get this fixed today :)
The problem is not HTML, it's translating :P
Anyway, I won't have to do all before the evening so if you can help, that's greatly appreciated...

Trabalh

Google Docs
Aqueste servici web vos permet de crear e de modificar de documents en linha amb vòstres collaborators.

Remember the Milk
Vos agrandan los bremba-tes ? Ensajatz aqueste servici gratis per gerir vòstras tièras de prètzfaches.

Viadeo
Dos milions de professionals en ret. Identificatz e fasètz-vos de contactes novèls. Dinamisatz vòtre trabalh e vòstres afars.

Al luòc de copiar e pegar de ligams, Clipmarks es coma ajustar un parelh de talhans a nòstre navigador, çò que vos permet de capturar exactament çò que volètz que los autres vejan (tèxt, imatges o vidèo).
Sorry, please change "Trabalh" per "Trabalhar".
Aprene
* Wikipedia
De milièrs d'articles a posita amb aquela enciclopèdia liura que cadun pòt melhorar.

* IEO
L'Institut d'Estudis Occitans es una associacion culturala lei de 1901 creada en 1945 qu'a per tòca lo manten e lo desvelopament de la lenga e de la cultura occitanas per la direccion, l'armonizacion e la normalizacion de tots los trabalhs que pertòcan a la cultura occitana dins son ensemble.

* HowStuffWorks
HowStuffWorks explica de centenas de tèmas, dels motors de veitura al foncionament d'un ordenador, amb una lenga clara e de tonas d'illustracions.

* Modul Answers
Clicatz sus Answers TM per ganhar de temps amb AnswerTips : vos balhar directament las entresenhas que recercatz. Sufís de puntar sus quin mot que siá, mantengatz la clau Alt (Ctrl dins Linux) e clicatz.
Se divertir
* YouTube
Agachatz de vidèos del mond entièr e telecargatz e partejatz las vòstras.

* Radiò Occitània
Radio locala associativa, fargada en 1981 a Tolosa, la tòca es la promocion de la lenga e de la cultura occitana.
Realisam e difusem dempuèi aquela data, mai de 16 oras de programes en occitan cada jorn.
Aqueles programes son plan solide mai que mai en Occitan, e trachan totas menas de tematicas : economia, politica, espòrt, literatura, cinema, cultura, istòria, actualitat, etc.

* Radio Lenga d'Òc
Radio Lenga d'òc un ràdio del Nòrd... de la Miegterrana que difusa son programe sus lo 95.4 MHz de Montpelhièr, Besièr, Seta e Alès. Se pòt tanben escotar en linha en dirècte.

* Oc-tv (http://www.oc-tv.net/)
Una television occitana en linha...

* Modul Cooliris
Ecran complet, 3D -- Cooliris vos permet de recercar e profichar de fotografias, de vidèos en linha, etc. amb vòstre navigador.
Rets
* Tot en òc
Sus aqueste sit, poiretz trobar mai que mai doas partidas :
- de documents pedagogics en occitan (i podètz botar los vòstres e descargar los dels autres) ; i a dempuèi pauc de temps de jòcs pedagogics,
- de ressorças informaticas en occitan (siá ja reviradas, siá de revirar, amb l'ajuda que cal).
Soi tanben a far una tièra organizada de totas las escòlas que prepausan un ensenhament bilingüe (siá dins lo public, siá en Calandreta).

Copains d'avant (http://copainsdavant.linternaute.com/)
Amb Copains d'avant, tornatz trobar d'amics d'escòla perduts de vista e partejatz vòstras fotografias de classa. Descobrissètz çò que fan ara aqueles amics e botatz-vos en contacte tornamai ! 

* Cityvox
Cityvox es la primièra guida de las sortidas e dels lésers en Euròpa ! Reservatz de restaurants o d'ostalariás, agachatz los oraris de cinemà e de concèrts.

* Kijiji
Kijiji, lo sit d'anóncias gratis, vos permet de trobar de milièrs d'anóncias ordenadas per vilas e per país.

* Facebook
Facebook vos permet de demorar en contacte e d'escambiar amb las personas que vos enròdan.

* Modul Shareaholic
Una extension per partejar e far de marcapaginas sus de paginas web dins una comunautat populara.
Thanks a lot Staś for your help, there should be everyhting here.
Thanks Yannig for providing the descriptions so fast. I'll work on the HTML and logos this afternoon.

I see you added Oc-tv (nice site!) and Copains d'avant. Great additions. I'm not sure if 5 links in the Connect category aren't too many, but I will try it and check with Pascal.
Hi Yannig. Nice work with the descriptions. I inserted them in the HTML, here are the screenshots (with some comments):

WORK:
http://informationisart.com/stas/screenshots//Getting_Started_with_Firefox-1-20090304-093029.jpg

Green boxes are English texts to be translated.

LEARN:
http://informationisart.com/stas/screenshots//Getting_Started_with_Firefox-3-20090304-093128.jpg

Pale yellow boxes are English texts from previous screenshots.

PLAY:
http://informationisart.com/stas/screenshots//Getting_Started_with_Firefox-4-20090304-093214.jpg

Pink boxes are other comments, like missing logos and too long descriptions. The descriptions should optimally be 2-4 lines long. Like here: http://informationisart.com/stas/screenshots//Getting_Started_with_Firefox-20090304-092653.jpg

CONNECT:
http://informationisart.com/stas/screenshots//Getting_Started_with_Firefox-6-20090304-093253.jpg

Again, the description is too long. An example of how this could look like: http://informationisart.com/stas/screenshots//Getting_Started_with_Firefox-20090304-093511.jpg

Unfortunately, there's no place for the 5th link in the connect category, so we'll have to leave one out. Suggestions?
WORK

Getting started with Firefox => Primièrs pases amb Firefox

Here are a few... => Vaquí los nòstres sits, moduls complementaris e astúcias preferits per vos ajudar a començar amb Firefox. Profechatz !

Some of our favorite sites => Nòstres sits preferits

Firefox tips => Astúcia Firefox

Try this add-on => Ensajatz aqueste mdoul

More about Firefox => Mai a prepaus de Firefox

Features => Foncions

Tips & tricks => Astúcias

Help => Ajuda

More about Mozilla => Mai a prepaus de Mozilla

What is Mozilla => De que es Mozilla ?

Get involved => Ajudar

Mozilla Store => Botiga Mozilla
Radio Lenga d'Oc
Radio Lenga d'òc es una ràdio del Nòrd... de la Miegterranèa.

If you should remove one site in Networks, it should be Kijiji.
Is there anything more I can do?
Hi Yannig,

Thanks a lot for those translations. I have updated the HTML, and I also took care of creating the logo images where needed. We're really close :)

We'll need the tips translated, too, and that will be all :) Mind translating them please? As soon as you do that, I'll create screenshots for you to approve, and if everything is OK, I'll hand over to Pascal for landing on the server. 

Here are the tips:

* Don’t get bogged down worrying about your spelling— Firefox’s built-in spellchecker will do it for you.

* Make sure you find what you need – add your favorite search engines to the Firefox search bar.

* Use the Add-ons Manager to discover more ways to customize Firefox exactly the way you want it.

* Stay up-to-date on what your friends are up to by subscribing to the Web Feeds on their sites.

Thanks!
http://www.totenoc.org/skins/common/images/wiki.png would be better for Tot en òc.
Now, the translations :
* Quitatz de vos preocupar de vòstras enganas d'escritura, lo corregidor ortografic integrat a Firefox lo fa per vos.

* Asseguratz-vos de trobar çò qu'avètz besonh – ajustatz los motors de recèrca qu'estimatz melhor a la barra de recèrca de Firefox.

* Utilizar lo gestionari de moduls complementaris per descobrir mai d'un biais de personalizar Firefox exactament coma lo volètz.

* Demoratz totjorn al fial de çò que fan vòstres amics en vos inscrivent als fluses web de lors sits.
Thanks Yannig! Here are the updated screenshots:

http://informationisart.com/stas/screenshots/Primi00E8rs-pases-amb-Firefox-11.png
http://informationisart.com/stas/screenshots/Primi00E8rs-pases-amb-Firefox-12.png
http://informationisart.com/stas/screenshots/Primi00E8rs-pases-amb-Firefox-13.png
http://informationisart.com/stas/screenshots/Primi00E8rs-pases-amb-Firefox-14.png

Let me know if there's anything left to fix (any typos for example). I'll be happy to update the page.

And if everything is OK, then let me know about that, too :) I'll attach the files to this bug and hand over to Pascal for publishing on the server.
The Occitan wikipedia is "Wikipèdia" (with an accent).
For Answers.com => "vos balhar" => "vos balha" (-r).
For Youtube => "del mond entièr e telecargatz" => "del mond entièr, telecargatz"
mdoul => modul
That's all, thanks :-)
Nice catches, Yannig :) 

Here's the file and the images, with corrections to typos spotted by Yannig.

Pascal, would you mind taking a look at the HTML to see if I didn't make any errors? And if not, publishing it?
Attachment #373354 - Flags: review+
this one is fixed, I forgot to close the bug
Status: NEW → RESOLVED
Closed: 15 years ago
Resolution: --- → FIXED
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