475243 - [fj] [Fx] New localization: Fijian

Status: RESOLVED INCOMPLETE

(Mozilla Localizations :: Registration & Management, defect)

Description

[avonsys]

User-Agent:       Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; fj-FJ; rv:1.9.0.5) Gecko/2008120121 Firefox/3.0.5
Build Identifier: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; fj-FJ; rv:1.9.0.5) Gecko/2008120121 Firefox/3.0.5

I would like to officially register a localization team for Mozilla Firefox in Fijian, specifically the Fijian Bauan dialect (most predominantly used)
This is based on the Latin alphabet. 
Additional details can be found by visiting:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fijian_language

We're focused on Firefox 3.0 at the moment, having already released an experimental xpi.
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/10159
For a few screenshots and information on our current (unofficial) team
http://www.avonsys.com/FireFox-FJ

Running compare-locales we've translated 47% already


Reproducible: Always

Steps to Reproduce:
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Comment 1

[avonsys]

Attachment: fj-FJ review

Comment 2

[Axel Hecht [:Pike]]

Comment on attachment 358711 [details]
fj-FJ review

Setting a review request here to put this into our bug queries.

Comment 3

[Zibi Braniecki [:zbraniecki][:gandalf]]

Comment on attachment 358711 [details]
fj-FJ review

Hi avonsys.

I did an initial review of your package. Below are findings:

1) You should remove all backup files from the package (files starting with .)
2) You need to update your localization to Fx3.1 sources

3) Can you tell me what's the difference between:

<!ENTITY brandShortName "Na Firefox Vakaviti">
<!ENTITY brandFullName "Na Mozilla Firefox">

4) I'm wondering how your language works with names.

For example you have an entity:

<!ENTITY startDescription.label "Na &brandShortName;e sa sogota ga vakataki koya na pop-up window.">

and

<!ENTITY brandShortName "Na Firefox Vakaviti">

In result the sentence will be:

Na Na Firefox Vakavitie sa sogota ga vakataki koya na pop-up window.

Is it a proper form?

Also, not sure about genders in your language, but remember that &brandShortName; can be changed by vendor. For example to "Amarilla". Would it influence the way you add postfix "e" after the brand name? ("Na Firefox Vakavitie")

The last 2 are just questions, rather than actual feedback.

Comment 4

[Zibi Braniecki [:zbraniecki][:gandalf]]

Attachment: review

I'm attaching review file.

Would you like me to merge your current locale with latest Firefox 3.1 en-US so that you can just start working on remaining entities?

Comment 5

[avonsys]

Question 3 and 4 are due to mistakes on our end. We'll fix that along with the removal of backup files. Regarding gender in our language, I believe there is an influence. The team translator will know better

Regarding question 2, Won't merging with 3.1 files cause our language packs to only work on firefox 3.1? 
I guess we will need to do it eventually so yes, please merge our locale with the latest 3.1 en-US.

Comment 6

[Axel Hecht [:Pike]]

l10n-merge should be done at build time, if needed.

avonsys, looking at gandalf's output, you're at roughly 45% translated entries. That's really low by our standards, where 70 is OKish, and good starts around 80%.

Your source should target 3.1 to be included on our end, I'm not sure how to get some of the improvements that we'll need for 3.1 into your 3.0 language pack. Depending on your technical skills, branching and merging patches might help you.

Comment 7

[avonsys]

Hi,
We have passed the 70% mark.
We want to get the 1st official version published for now. 
Thanks/

Comment 8

[Axel Hecht [:Pike]]

We'll need another attachment to do another round of review.

Comment 9

[avonsys]

Attachment: Firefox in Fijian Localisation project

As per:
--- Comment #8 from Axel Hecht [:Pike] <[e-mail]>  2009-04-05 13:21:41 PDT ---
We'll need another attachment to do another round of review.

Comment 10

[avonsys]

Hi Axel.. Any review feedback?
Cheers

Comment 11

[Axel Hecht [:Pike]]

Comment on attachment 371165 [details]
Firefox in Fijian Localisation project 

This is a language pack, we'll need the sources to do the review, though.

Comment 12

[Seth Bindernagel]

There doesn't seem to be much progress on this bug in long time, but it looks like we might be able to help.  

Gandalf, if you have a moment can you generate source format from this language pack and help us get a new status?

Comment 13

[Gervase Markham [:gerv]]

gandalf: ping?

Gerv

Comment 14

[Axel Hecht [:Pike]]

Comment on attachment 371165 [details]
Firefox in Fijian Localisation project 

Denoting the "no r+ on a xpi" explicitly.

Comment 15

[Axel Hecht [:Pike]]

Is the work here bound the fj-FJ section in narro, https://l10n.mozilla.org/narro/narro_project_list.php?l=fj-FJ ?

Comment 16

[Seth Bindernagel]

Was Gandalf ever able to generate a source format for a review?  

Also, are the fj-FJ localizers still working on this?  Although it has been some time in communicating, it doesn't mean we cannot try to move forward.  I'd like to hear from the fj-FJ team to see if they are still waiting on us.  With a comment, we can then re-re-ping Gandalf to see if he can generate sources for review.

Comment 17

[Gen Kanai [:gen]]

Let me ping the guys I know at Avonsys.

Comment 18

[Franck Martin]

I don't see the Fijian language anymore on the Narro web site!

https://l10n.mozilla.org/narro/narro_language_list.php?l=fj-FJ

Is all the work gone?

Comment 19

[Franck Martin]

Some links:
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/10159/
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/12115/
http://www.avonsys.com/firefox-fj

Comment 20

[Axel Hecht [:Pike]]

(In reply to comment #18)
> I don't see the Fijian language anymore on the Narro web site!
> 
> https://l10n.mozilla.org/narro/narro_language_list.php?l=fj-FJ
> 
> Is all the work gone?

Alexandru?

Comment 21

[Rupeni Sivo]

The Team at avonsys is aimimg to have something for review(towards Firefox 4) in the coming week.
What are the steps after generation of xpi?

Thanks

Comment 22

[Seth Bindernagel]

We take a look at the files you submit to make sure they pass basic tests.  An outline for some basic smoke tests we look at is here:

https://wiki.mozilla.org/L10n:Review_notes

With a positive review, we can talk about the next steps.  I am not sure if it makes most sense to have your locale remain as an official language pack ready for install from our Addons website, or if we should pursue an official build for download and release.

Comment 23

[Gordon P. Hemsley [:GPHemsley]]

(In reply to Franck Martin from comment #18)
> I don't see the Fijian language anymore on the Narro web site!
> 
> https://l10n.mozilla.org/narro/narro_language_list.php?l=fj-FJ
> 
> Is all the work gone?

New link:
https://l10n.mozilla.org/narro/projects.php?l=fj-FJ

However, I question the need for the 'FJ' region code. Are there significant portions of Fijian speakers outside Fiji? (I would guess not.)

Comment 24

[Dwayne Bailey]

Imported this into Pootle: http://mozilla.locamotion.org/fj/firefox/

A new language pack based on translations in attachment 358711 [details] but updated to Aurora 22 is available http://downloads.locamotion.org/aurora/22/firefox-22.0a2.fj.langpack.xpi

There is also an updated tarball http://downloads.locamotion.org/aurora/tarball/22.0a2/fj-22.0a2-20130430T0751-68bc5f7.tar.bz2 not added to the bug as it needs quite a bit more work to get back into review ready shape.

Comment 25

[Gordon P. Hemsley [:GPHemsley]]

This locale registration bug is being resolved as INCOMPLETE because it has not been updated since before the final Firefox 17esr release on 2013-11-15. It is assumed that there has not been any progress in developing the desired localization since that time.

If you feel this bug has been closed in error, please reopen it and provide a status update for your locale.

In addition, please be sure to follow the guidelines listed on the wiki for creating a new localization:

https://wiki.mozilla.org/L10n:Starting_a_localization

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