Closed Bug 47732 Opened 25 years ago Closed 24 years ago

German Language pack gets installed without request

Categories

(SeaMonkey :: Installer, defect, P3)

x86
All
defect

Tracking

(Not tracked)

VERIFIED FIXED

People

(Reporter: jar, Assigned: dveditz)

Details

Running the M17 branch build in the Netscape bundle, I selected "custom" install and de-selected the Japanese Language pack. There was no other pack to de-select. I noticed during the install the the German-English language pack *was* installed. This should IMO be an option in a custom install, as I'm sure it costs time on the download wire, and space on the disk.
In the Mozilla edition the German-English language pack just gets installed, without even being in the Components dialog. That's bad!
OS: Linux → All
From the config.it: [Component7] Description Short=English-German language pack Attributes=SELECTED|INVISIBLE Why is this "selected" and "invisible"???
This was forced upon us; ask the relevant i18n/l10n PM's. I think the theory was that similarly to installing two skins, installing two locales shows off that they can be switched. Of course Mozilla doesn't have to do the same thing as Netscape 6, but apparently this was an interesting thing to do for the Mozilla Localization Project folks as well. (dveditz using ssu's computer, reassigning to myself)
Assignee: ssu → dveditz
Depends on: 52052
The English build now has Japanese removed, en-DE is still there, and en-GB, en-FR, fr-FR and de-DE were added. Done without the approval of the install module owners, too, citing some spec that I've repeatedly asked for and have never received. This stuff is about a day from getting ripped out if I don't see that spec. The current behavior is not what I remember from the meeting we had on the issue.
Question - JAR, are u really using an M17 build? If so, it is my understanding that in the M17 builds, the bundled language packs (i.e. enUS and enDE) where included as part of the "typical" and "browser-only" installs. For the latest M18 US builds, all language packs (except the required enUS), can be removed from the install through the Custom screen. For Complete, only 3 packs will be included (enUS, enGB and deUS). We have decided to include a non-English language with the US build because it best demonstrates the ability of the feature. Addtionally, since the DE browser is targetted to ship simultaneously with enUS, including deUS better serves German speakers in the US. Customers who DO NOT want the 2 extra packs included in the Complete build, should be directed to Typical or Custom installs. The Install team, and CPM have been tasked to better direct users to a Typical isntall path via the Install UE. When we met with Dan, it was agreed that I18N would propose 3-5 packs for inclusion in a Complete install. We have done that, and got consensus approval with the PM for Install for 3 packs for PR3/RTM (enUS, enGB, and deUS). Addtionally, it was concluded that users should have the flexibility to install as many packs as they desire through a Custom install (Note: Selected by default will be the Complete packs). That being said, Dan is correct, in that we need to better communicate the market requirements. This will be done today. Please let me know, if there are any outstanding questions, that need to be answered. BTW - Sorry for the delay in commenting on this bug, but I was not cc'd. Adding myself, and Naoki to cc: list.
Adding Msanz and Blee to cc: list.
This has been removed from the mozilla build altogether, and made visible in the ns builds. It is included in Complete and Custom (deselectable in Custom). I'm not sure who fixed it. Marking this fixed.
Status: NEW → RESOLVED
Closed: 24 years ago
Resolution: --- → FIXED
"including deUS better serves German speakers in the US" -- and we know there are tons and tons of *them* here, unlike those latinos. I guess if German's all you've got then we go with it but it really makes little sense. Why is Spanish so far down the priority list? There are more native speakers of Spanish in the world than English (English is fourth in number of native speakers, and edges out Spanish only when non-native speakers are included), and in the US Spanish-speakers form a sizable minority and largely untapped market. Anyway, whether anyone agrees with the selection of languages provided or not, at least everything but the default en-US can be deselected in custom.
With 09-12-12-M18 Comm bld, Custom Setup with only en-GB selected correctly installed just en-GB along with en-US. Complete Setup installed de-DE, en-DE, en-GB along with en-US as expected.
Dan - Couldn't agree with you more on the Spanish Language thing . . . u r preaching to the choir. Look for a Spanish Language N6 in the first half of 2001.
mozilla-win32-installer 2000102808 only installs "en-US.jar".
Status: RESOLVED → VERIFIED
No longer depends on: 52052
Product: Browser → Seamonkey
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