503742 - Elements to be blocked by CSS on derstandard.at and diestandard.at

Status: RESOLVED FIXED

(Camino Graveyard :: Annoyance Blocking, defect)

Description

[cochenille]

User-Agent:       Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; de; rv:1.9.1) Gecko/20090624 Firefox/3.5
Build Identifier: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; en; rv:1.9.0.12pre) Gecko/2009071000 Camino/2.0b4pre (like Firefox/3.0.12pre)

On this major Austrian newspaper site (derstandard.at and diestandard.at – actually the same newspaper) following Elements should be set invisible:

<div class="Banner WerberahmenOben">
<div class="BaselineAd WerberahmenOben">
<div class="BigSize1">
<div class="BigSize2">
<div class="BigSize5">
<div class="ContentAd1 WerberahmenOben">
<div class="ContentAd3 WerberahmenOben">
<div class="eJuniorSet WerberahmenOben">
<div id="ivw">
<li class="Advertorial">
<li class="des150">
<li class="Sitelink des104">
<ul id="mzt">

List may not be complete.

Reproducible: Sometimes

Comment 1

[Chris Lawson (gone)]

Can we get some context for these, please?

Comment 2

[cochenille]

context is http://derstandard.at and http://diestandard.at (as i wrote)

banners which appear above, under and beneath articles or are mixed into the startpages:
<div class="Banner WerberahmenOben">
<div class="BaselineAd WerberahmenOben">
<div class="BigSize1"> (huge banner on top of various pages)
<div class="BigSize2"> (huge banner on top of various pages)
<div class="BigSize5"> (huge banner on top of various pages)
<div class="ContentAd1 WerberahmenOben">
<div class="ContentAd3 WerberahmenOben">
<div class="eJuniorSet WerberahmenOben">
<li class="Advertorial">
<li class="des150">
<li class="Sitelink des104">

a snippet (paragraph) of text mixed into articles:
<ul id="mzt">

an invisible area which is perceived as little space between the navi and main-pages or articles:
<div id="ivw">

Comment 3

[philippe (part-time)]

Am I correct to understand 'Werberahmen' as 'Adframe' (or 'advertisment frame')?

Most of the elements with class 'WerberahmenOben' are actually empty here (the content -ads- are blocked), but it leaves big grey holes in the layout.

I haven't seen those 'BigSize1' ads.

Comment 4

[cochenille]

Yes, you are correct. Generally: any object marked as "Werbung"/"Werbe-" and "Anzeige" (or "Einschaltung" – haven't seen that yet) is to be ragarded as advertisment.

The "BigSize" ads typically appear under the menu bar containing the categories "International", "Inland", "Wirtschaft", "Web" etc. – so far I've seen "BigSize1", "BigSize2" and "BigSize5" – maybe I'll discover also 3 and 4.

Comment 5

[philippe (part-time)]

* most ad-frames listed in comment 0 could be blocked by
div[class$="WerberahmenOben"].

The content -the ads- is blocked. But those things have a height set. You may see the Flashblock placeholder though, see below.

* BigSize blocks: I see what is happening now. The contents is actually blocked (and the div collapses correctly). But those are Flash based ads, and if you run Flashblock then the placeholder shows up. Clicking the Flashblock placeholder hides the whole thing.
That is one situation where the solution proposed in bug 384729 doesn't help/work :-(

div[class^="BigSize"] blocks those things, but I have the feeling that this just to generic


(sample source of Flash: http://images.derstandard.at/2009/06/15/bannershake_staerken.swf?clickTag=http%3A//austria1.adverserve.net/RealMedia/ads/click_lx.ads/derstandard.at/newsroom_uebersicht/11247480395535/1921142080/Top/derstandard/S1_RZB_Relationship_SB_Juli09/S1_RZB_Relationship_SB_Staerke.html/33643732633063633461356165653230)

* the other elements listed in comment 0: no sure. I'd have to find them, for one thing, and things like #ivw, #mzt, .des150, etc are way to generic (I use such classes/IDs myself for legitimate content).

Comment 6

[cochenille]

Attachment: Example for "Banner WerberahmenOben" and <ul id="mzt">. Complete page downloaded an zipped.

Comment 7

[cochenille]

Attachment: Screenshot for <ul id="mzt">.

Comment 8

[cochenille]

Attachment: Screenshot for <div class="Banner WerberahmenOben">.

Comment 9

[cochenille]

Attachment: Source for <div class="ContentAd1 WerberahmenOben"> and <li class="Sitelink des104"> and <li class="Sitelink desADV">

Comment 10

[cochenille]

Attachment: Screenshot for <div class="ContentAd1 WerberahmenOben"> and <li class="Sitelink des104"> and <li class="Sitelink desADV">

Comment 11

[cochenille]

Another item:

<li class="Sitelink desADV">

Comment 12

[cochenille]

Attachment: Source for <div class="BigSize2"> and <div class="Sponsorbutton WerberahmenOben">

Comment 13

[cochenille]

Attachment: Screenshot for <div class="BigSize2"> and <div class="Sponsorbutton WerberahmenOben">

Comment 14

[cochenille]

(In reply to comment #10)
> Created an attachment (id=388448) [details]
> Screenshot for <div class="ContentAd1 WerberahmenOben"> and <li class="Sitelink
> des104"> and <li class="Sitelink desADV">

I made a mistake: The ad on the bottom of the screenshot is not <li class="Sitelink desADV"> but <li class="Sitelink des104">

Comment 15

[Smokey Ardisson (offline for a while; not following bugs - do not email)]

As philippe mentioned, most of the class names are far to generic to block safely (and many of the contents are actually blocked already; as annoying as the grey boxes are, they're better than flashing ads ;) ).

I have added div[class$="WerberahmenOben"] to block some of them, and iframe[src*="/AdServer/"] also takes care of a few more (including the boxes of some of the "BigSize" stuff).

Comment 16

[Smokey Ardisson (offline for a while; not following bugs - do not email)]

FIXED on cvs trunk and CAMINO_2_0_BRANCH by the checkin for bug 502536.