520454 - Create a bugzilla product for Mozilla Community bugs

Status: VERIFIED FIXED

(bugzilla.mozilla.org :: Administration, task)

Description

[Pavel Franc - Mozilla.cz]

To manage Czech Mozilla community we would like to have a bugzilla component where people can fill our community bugs. 

As this could be useful for other Mozilla communities I'm turning this bug into a request for creating bugzilla product "Mozilla Communities". This would be similar to Mozilla Localization product except this one would be for non-localization bugs.

Comment 1

[Reed Loden [:reed]]

I'd like to hear from l10n-drivers about this first...

Comment 2

[Seth Bindernagel]

Stas and I chatted with Pavel at the MozCamp in Prague about this bug.  We thought it was a good idea, but that does not include feedback from the entire l10n-drivers team.  If you need that, then they can chime in now.  If not, I would support proceeding with the plan.

Comment 3

[Gervase Markham [:gerv]]

What I said to Pavel at MozCamp is that it would look a bit sad to have a "Community" product with just one component "Czech". (Hey, is this a good chance to test Bugzilla's UTF8 support with a non-ASCII component name? :-) Not all communities will want this - some are big, like the Polish community, and run their own Bugzilla. Some are small, and don't need a bug-tracking system at all. The Czechs are in the middle.

So my suggestion to him was that we'd do this if he could find two other communities who would be interested in this facility. He immediately ran off to find the Mongolians ;-) 

Does that seem reasonable?

Gerv

Comment 4

[Seth Bindernagel]

This sounds fair to me.

Comment 5

[Staś Małolepszy :stas]

This sounds good, but it still leaves the Czech community without bugzilla at the moment. 

Pavel -- maybe you could do a post in mozilla.dev.l10n to ask people there if anyone else would be interested in this idea and point to this bug? This would increase the visibility and maybe speed things up a bit.

Comment 6

[Gervase Markham [:gerv]]

Great idea. 

l10n representatives: you are being asked if you are (reasonably) certain that you would have a use for the ability to file and track community-related bugs and issues in a Bugzilla component for your community. These could be related to any aspect of community life.

Gerv

Comment 7

[Axel Hecht [:Pike]]

Not having heard the original conversation, what kind of bugs do we expect here?

Comment 8

[Ricardo Meza]

I like that.

I'm the Firefox es-MX localizer and I'm using a google doc to organize my tasks, so, this bugzilla component sounds good.

Comment 9

[Pavel Cvrcek [:JasnaPaka]]

(In reply to comment #5)
> Pavel -- maybe you could do a post in mozilla.dev.l10n to ask people there if
> anyone else would be interested in this idea and point to this bug? This would
> increase the visibility and maybe speed things up a bit.

http://groups.google.com/group/mozilla.dev.l10n/browse_thread/thread/f2617402d1f714b5#

Comment 10

[Tim Maks van den Broek [:mad_maks]]

(In reply to comment #7)
> Not having heard the original conversation, what kind of bugs do we expect
> here?

yes i want to know that also, we now use the localization /nl component to track down all the issues 

what is the big advantage to having this new component?

Comment 11

[Pavel Cvrcek [:JasnaPaka]]

(In reply to comment #7)
> Not having heard the original conversation, what kind of bugs do we expect
> here?

We (Czech Mozilla Community) want to track bugs which are related to our local websites and local community. I have one big text file with my ideas and items which would be good to do. Pavel Franc has another text file (or something like this) and it's hard to cooperate. Another problem is with potential contributors which want to help. They want to help with something and we don't have synchronized list with our ideas and things to do. Bugzilla is big helper for that.

We have local installation of Bugzilla (http://bugzilla.czilla.cz/) which is hard outdated and I think it will be offline in near future. It's good start point for some local contributors which go to Bugzilla and say that they want to help with specific bugs. 

For many years was Bugzilla a big helper for us. So that's reason why we need some component in Bugzilla.

Comment 12

[Vitaly Fedrushkov]

Many local communities operating their own Bugzilla instances also use localized templates.

bugzilla.mozilla.org currently have none.  Anyone willing to localize bmo will face some challenges:

 o  stay up to date -- in time for upgrades
 o  take up extra burden for bmo customizations
 o  overcome maintenance overheads: remember, bmo is a business critical 
    instance with heavy load and centralized administration

Interestingly, http://bugzilla.czilla.cz/ is not localized, and is significantly behind existing Czech locale (http://bugzilla.bata.cz/download/).

Comment 13

[Gervase Markham [:gerv]]

Yes, anyone wanting this service would definitely have to expect b.m.o. to always be in English. :-)

Gerv

Comment 14

[timeless]

sorry, i was probably around in Prague when this was discussed, but I've been buried under bugmail from my three week vacation.

The current Bugzilla summary says it wants a Bugzilla product, is that still correct? or are you really asking for supporting localized templates and other bits?

Comment 15

[Reed Loden [:reed]]

(In reply to comment #14)
> sorry, i was probably around in Prague when this was discussed, but I've been
> buried under bugmail from my three week vacation.
> 
> The current Bugzilla summary says it wants a Bugzilla product, is that still
> correct? or are you really asking for supporting localized templates and other
> bits?

This is being discussed on m.governance as part of the whole "redo how we handle l10n bugs" thing.

Comment 16

[Pavel Cvrcek [:JasnaPaka]]

Any progress on this front? Our local Bugzilla installation is offline (sooner than I expected - see comment#11) and I would like to manage bugs somewhere.

Comment 17

[Gervase Markham [:gerv]]

OK, I've run this past the l10n drivers. Let's make this happen. Plan of record:

* Create new product: "Mozilla Communities" in classification "Other"
* Create the following components in that new product:
  * "cs / Czech"
  * "es-MX / Spanish (Mexico)"

(These intentionally have the same name as the components in the "Mozilla Localizations" product, in order to make it easier to search across both.)

Any other l10n team, or Mozilla community group, can request a component here to track community-related bugs.

Anyone object?

Gerv

Comment 18

[Pavel Cvrcek [:JasnaPaka]]

(In reply to comment #17)
> Anyone object?

Sounds good for me.

Comment 19

[Gervase Markham [:gerv]]

OK, this is done. Pavel is the default assignee for the Czech component, and Ricardo is the default assignee for the Mexican component.

Gerv