Closed Bug 522023 Opened 10 years ago Closed Last year

Use a better globe icon in the taskbar

Categories

(SeaMonkey :: Themes, defect)

defect
Not set

Tracking

(seamonkey2.49esr wontfix, seamonkey2.53 affected, seamonkey2.57esr fixed, seamonkey2.60 wontfix)

RESOLVED FIXED
Future
Tracking Status
seamonkey2.49esr --- wontfix
seamonkey2.53 --- affected
seamonkey2.57esr --- fixed
seamonkey2.60 --- wontfix

People

(Reporter: mozilla, Assigned: frg)

References

Details

(Keywords: polish)

Attachments

(5 files, 1 obsolete file)

As discussed in mozilla.dev.apps.seamonkey (thread "icon size in status bar") least in the "classic" theme the icon for the browser component is hardly discernible as a globe, which should be taken as a metaphor for the web.

Even at a size of 16x16 something like a globe should be visible. The same globe needs to be used at even smaller size in the composer icon.
And the same globe needs to be used in a larger size in the Composer Publish icon at least.
Just for reference, that publish icon is apparently contained in
suite/themes/classic/editor/icons/editoricons.png
suite/themes/classic/mac/editor/icons/editoricons.png

The other classic taskbar icons are in
suite/themes/classic/communicator/taskbar/taskbar.png
Attached image replacement for classic taskbar.png (obsolete) —
I think this just proves my inability to work effectively with GIMP but here's the replacement I made from Firefox's unofficial branding (default16.png) and SeaMonkey's taskbar.png.
(In reply to comment #3)
> Created an attachment (id=406023) [details]
> replacement for classic taskbar.png
> 
> I think this just proves my inability to work effectively with GIMP but here's
> the replacement I made from Firefox's unofficial branding (default16.png) and
> SeaMonkey's taskbar.png.

Don't be so hard on yourself, IMHO this is already better than what we currently have. :-) [didn't check transparency]
As long as we are criticizing the taskbar icons, the address book icon from the Modern theme is also much more discernible than the one in the Default them.
I'm not going to change the address book icon (and that's not what this bug is about). Trying the globe is already hard enough...
Well, this is probably the best I can manage to do. This ZIP file contains
   suite/themes/classic/communicator/taskbar/taskbar.png
   suite/themes/classic/editor/icons/editoricons-small.png
   suite/themes/classic/editor/icons/editoricons.png
   suite/themes/classic/mac/editor/icons/editoricons-small.png
   suite/themes/classic/mac/editor/icons/editoricons.png
which is all icons that I found to have such a globe in them. I also added the GIMP .xcf files that I used into the ZIP package, if anyone else wants to try improving them.

I had some difficulties to match the darkness/transparency levels to the surrounding icons. Is there a guide for that? I also didn't find a way to make the publish icon in the editor inactive, so I don't know what the new one looks like in practise. With the others I'm now reasonably happy, given the time constraints.
Attachment #406023 - Attachment is obsolete: true
Attachment #406216 - Flags: superreview?(neil)
Attachment #406216 - Flags: review?
Attachment #406216 - Flags: review? → review?(kairo)
Comment on attachment 406216 [details]
all icons with globe replaced

I won't be able to review this within the next few days, if you want this to happen fast, possibly for rc2 which about to be cut any time now, then please find someone else to review.
Comment on attachment 406216 [details]
all icons with globe replaced

Stefan, maybe you have time to look at this?
Attachment #406216 - Flags: review?(kairo) → review?(stefanh)
Comment on attachment 406216 [details]
all icons with globe replaced

This is much better than the current "globe", but I'm not convinced we should copy the Firefox trunk build icon.
(In reply to comment #10)
> (From update of attachment 406216 [details])
> This is much better than the current "globe", but I'm not convinced we should
> copy the Firefox trunk build icon.

That said, I really think we need to replace the current one. Is there any chance we can get another globe that doesn't look like the Minefield one?
I'm really not able to create another one from scratch. Another one that I like (better than the FF unbranded one) comes with the gnome-icon-theme package on my Linux machine, but I haven't been able to track down its origin or license.
Btw, I'm currently staying in a temporary location from where I have some networking issues, so I'm a bit unreliable (and I lack a proper dev environment) when it comes to fast responses etc.
I found an old OS/2 program called PMGlobe that can create arbitrary views of Earth, using some primitive 3D-like lighting and green land and blue water with a nice contrast. When I scale those images down to the size we need for these icons they don't look bad. Will take another day or two to produce new PNG files with those, but let me give that a try.
I don't know what's bad with the Minefield globe, actually, and we already know it's licensed as we need it.
Attached image alternative taskbar.png
Just for consideration, this could be an alternative design, using the output of PMGlobe. (I checked the license of the program, which is just concerned about distributing the program itself, not about the output of the program. So that should be OK. If someone wants to double-check, it the license is inside http://www.os2site.com/sw/ews/pmgb32.zip).

If somebody else (besides me) likes that better, I will create a full set of files using that globe.
(In reply to comment #15)
> I don't know what's bad with the Minefield globe, actually, and we already know
> it's licensed as we need it.

What's bad with the Minefield globe imo is that it's exactly what we say it is: A Minefield globe (and not a seamonkey browser icon)
(In reply to comment #16)
> Created an attachment (id=406415) [details]
> alternative taskbar.png
> 
> Just for consideration, this could be an alternative design, using the output
> of PMGlobe. (I checked the license of the program, which is just concerned
> about distributing the program itself, not about the output of the program. So
> that should be OK. If someone wants to double-check, it the license is inside
> http://www.os2site.com/sw/ews/pmgb32.zip).
> 
> If somebody else (besides me) likes that better, I will create a full set of
> files using that globe.

I like it better. I do note that the quality of the Minefield icon seems to be better. Or is that just because you haven't done any fine-tuning?
(In reply to comment #17)
> What's bad with the Minefield globe imo is that it's exactly what we say it is:
> A Minefield globe (and not a seamonkey browser icon)

I don't really agree here. It's the planet Mozilla (as was explained in a blog post some time ago) - it would only be a Minefield icon if it would look like a bomb, after all :P
Stefan, I don't know what you mean by fine-tuning. As I have pointed out repeatedly, my experience with GIMP is limited. If someone as specific suggestions, how to improve the icons, please tell me. I can also send around the .xcf files. I guess I could give the alternative icons a smoother 3D look by adding some shine on the top left of the globe. I tried playing around with a shadow, but couldn't get it right within the 14x14px that the taskbar icons allow.

But if, as Robert says, the planet "Mozilla" icon is good enough, I wouldn't want to waste time on that anyway. As it stands right now, I have no clue what I should further do if anything at all...
I wasn't really refering to shadows/3D or the overall design - I think it's fine. I was more refering to the contrast between sea and land.
BTW, I can probably help you out with the mac versions. I can check what gimp values I used for transparency and light reduction. Basically, the mac version of editoricons uses 3 states (normal, active, disabled) - active and disabled icons  are exactly the same as the normal ones, except for transparency (disabled) and light reduction (active). However, atm I have no access to my dev machine.
Peter, if you have an original icon of the alternate globe in gimp format - could I have a look at it just to see if I could enhance it a bit? The larger the better (resolution-wise). I do not intend to steal the bug from you, I just like to see if I can improve the quality - perhaps by decreasing the contrast a bit.
Not sure why you would want to /de/crease the contrast. I created the alternative set especially because there was a complaint (that I agreed with) on the newsgroup about the too-low contrast in the set that uses the "planet Mozilla" icon.
Since attaching it here, I had experimented by adding a glow on top of the normal icon and making the glow on the "active" icon brighter. That gave a more professional look.

That said, the work was stored on a machine that broke on Monday morning. I thought I had a backup but I cannot find it. :-( I'll try to recreate it on the weekend.
This is the alternative taskbar that I now recreated with GIMP, in xcf format.

One of the (invisible) layers is the original globe (645x645px), another one is a globe where I added a shine to make it look less ragged.

(Somehow the contrast ended up to be even higher this time, so you might like it even less, but I'm happy for the moment.)
Attachment #406216 - Flags: review?(stefanh)
There are lots of globe icons at Iconfinder unfortunately there doesn't seem to be way to filter for a specific license. Ideally we would want either MPLv2 or CC0

http://www.iconfinder.com/search/?q=tango+globe
Note that we explicitely do not want the globe to be Earth, as in that case, the continents on the hidden half will complain that they are not disrespected.
Why are you discussing something completely different now after ignoring my last suggestion (comment 25; and review requests) for 4 years?
Flags: needinfo?(frgrahl)
Stumbled over this one checking the outstanding reviews. I think Peters first version is fine. Current unofficial Fx branding is more blurry and here it is only a 16x16 icon and not the Mona Lisa :) Better than the current blurry mess in any case.

The alternative has more contrast but looks a little like Blue circle with green blotches and not a globe imho. Put the original files into a patch and added the missing taskmenu icons.

If we ever need a high rez icon we can always look at alternatives.
Assignee: nobody → frgrahl
Status: NEW → ASSIGNED
Flags: needinfo?(frgrahl)
Attachment #9015085 - Flags: review?(iann_bugzilla)
Attachment #9015085 - Flags: approval-comm-esr60?
Attachment #406216 - Flags: superreview?(neil)
Comment on attachment 9015085 [details] [diff] [review]
522023-globe.patch

Are there any changes needed for help pages which include screenshots of the bar?
Flags: needinfo?(frgrahl)
Attachment #9015085 - Flags: review?(iann_bugzilla)
Attachment #9015085 - Flags: review+
Attachment #9015085 - Flags: approval-comm-esr60?
Attachment #9015085 - Flags: approval-comm-esr60+
Most help images now use the modern theme. There are only a few left and most show the taskbar but use blurred parts where the globe is. I think everthing in help should switch to Modern for consistency. Will open a follow-up bug.
Flags: needinfo?(frgrahl)
Attachment #9017977 - Flags: review?(iann_bugzilla)
Attachment #9017977 - Flags: approval-comm-esr60?
See Also: → 1499811
Comment on attachment 9017977 [details] [diff] [review]
522023-globe-help.patch

r/a=me
Attachment #9017977 - Flags: review?(iann_bugzilla)
Attachment #9017977 - Flags: review+
Attachment #9017977 - Flags: approval-comm-esr60?
Attachment #9017977 - Flags: approval-comm-esr60+
Pushed by frgrahl@gmx.net:
https://hg.mozilla.org/comm-central/rev/cdd666479739
Replace globe taskbar and menu icon in classic theme. r=IanN
https://hg.mozilla.org/comm-central/rev/50b0cb0a0182
Replace globe with the one from the modern theme in help statusbar image. r=IanN
Status: ASSIGNED → RESOLVED
Closed: Last year
Resolution: --- → FIXED
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