67634 - New sound for biff. (Temporary)

Status: VERIFIED FIXED

(MailNews Core :: Backend, defect)

Comment 1

[[e-mail] (gone - use [e-mail] instead)]

Attachment: Female Voice (public domain, should be free to use)

Comment 2

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Attachment: Attempt #2.

Comment 3

[[e-mail] (gone - use [e-mail] instead)]

Those who know biff better, we would have to check in this sound file in the
different formats for each OS, right? 

Comment 4

[(not reading, please use [e-mail] instead)]

I was going to mark this wontfix, but I'll lob it over to marlon

it's up to him if he wants to use this.

marlon owns the bug to create a new .wav file for mozilla.

stephend:  nsISound works with .wav files, so we only need one .wav file to get
this to work on all platforms.

Comment 5

[marlon bishop]

i am working on this one

Comment 6

[Sheela Ravindran]

change qa contact ->myself, cc esther

Comment 7

[[e-mail] (gone - use [e-mail] instead)]

Hmm...can we check this file in, in the meantime?  No offense to Joe, but his
"beep!" gets old, fast ;-).

Comment 8

[Sheela Ravindran]

I heard the female voice for biff.  How about a female voice saying 'you've got
mail' same as aol but a female voice.  Just saying what came to my mind when
listening to the attached file.  If it is a bad idea just ignore.:(

Comment 9

[[e-mail] (gone - use [e-mail] instead)]

A while back, AT&T WorldNet (I think) got sued by AOL for using the same phrase,
"You've got mail".  I think AOL has that trademarked, but I can't remember the
outcome.  It would be best for Mozilla if we stayed clear of any copyrighted
phrases or sounds.  

Comment 10

[marlon bishop]

the best thing to do is involve some marketing thought on this. not sure who to 
cc, but i think a good solution would be to have something original created by a 
professional.  as a last resort we could use public domain, or even purchase some 
stock sound clips, however the quality of the product would appear to be 
amatuerish. 

i would still like to do this but my plate is full, and there is no priority set 
on this bug.

Comment 11

[[e-mail] (gone - use [e-mail] instead)]

Kevin - do you object to this new sound?

Comment 12

[kmurray1115]

I do object. If we're going to use a human voice, it needs to be unique to
Netscape, and not something available publically. I realize that this would be
difficult and potentially costly, so we should probably pursue a sound that AOL
owns, that isn't "You've Got Mail," and use this in the commercial build. WRT
Mozilla, I think it's fully appropriate for the sound to be public domain. I
will get in touch with someone in Dulles and see what the possibilities are.

Comment 13

[Ben Bucksch (:BenB)]

> A while back, AT&T WorldNet (I think) got sued by AOL for using the same
> phrase, "You've got mail".

Let's just ignore AOL's pleasures.

Let AOL sue - mozilla.org, i.e. Netscape (legally)! *bg*

I'll trademark "I am the president".


The attached sounds have background noise. BTW: IMO, we should use a 44k, 16bit
sound.

Anyway, I like the current sound :-). It's funny.

Comment 14

[marlon bishop]

reassigning to Bhuvan, we are finally going to do the right thing™

Comment 15

[racham]

Accepting the bug.

Comment 16

[racham]

We are just going to play the system sound (beep) as default sound for Biff.
Patch coming up.

Comment 17

[racham]

Attachment: patch to play system beep as default sound for biff

Comment 18

[(not reading, please use [e-mail] instead)]

hold off on that patch.

before we hack the C++ to do this, I think we can just change the default prefs 
to cause it to beep.   (I sent a private email about this.)

Comment 19

[racham]

ok.

Comment 20

[racham]

New patch to use the system beep (with minimal changes). Patch proposed by Seth.

Comment 21

[racham]

Attachment: patch, rev1

Comment 22

[racham]

r=racham for patch, rev1.

Adding David to cc list for sr.

Comment 23

[David :Bienvenu]

sr=bienvenu

Comment 24

[Blake Ross]

So, I can quickly imagine a loud ding getting old right away.  On Windows, at 
least, why aren't we using the "New Mail Notification" sound event, which 
appears to be a Windows default (and defaulting to beep if there's no sound for 
that)?

Comment 25

[racham]

Blake, 

For now, we shouild go with this XP solution. Let us track all other better
defaults, if any, for a given platform as improvements over this.

Comment 26

[racham]

Fixed.

Comment 27

[Sheela Ravindran]

marking verified, Biff plays the system sound when goes off
win98-2001-03-15-15
mac-2001-03-16-04
linux-2001-03-14-21