800415 - [an] Search engine setup for Firefox for Aragonese

Status: RESOLVED FIXED

(Mozilla Localizations :: an / Aragonese, defect)

Description

[Axel Hecht [:Pike]]

We want to ship Firefox with a good list of search engines for Aragonese. 

We'll do this in three phases: First, the localization team and Milos (Milos Dinic) will look at the market for the language and come up with a good set of search providers. Daniel, we'll need your input on this. The guidelines for making recommendations are found on <https://wiki.mozilla.org/L10n:Firefox/Productization>. 

We currently use this set for en-US, to which we can fall back in the case of lacking localized alternatives:
Google, Yahoo!, Bing, Amazon, eBay, Twitter, Wikipedia

After we decided on a particular search engine, Milos will contact the owner and ask for permission and for specifics, like proper search flags. Daniel, we'll likely need your help to at least get the owner's contact information.

Once we have a specification on what the search engines for Aragonese should look like, Milos and the localization team will work on an implementation on that. Milos will create and attach patches for the desired changes and get them reviewed. After a successful review, Milos will land them. Daniel, if you're interested, you could create the patches, too. You'd ask Milos for review on those before landing.

Please don't commit any modifications in browser/searchplugins to the hg repository without a patch reviewed by Milos, Stas, Axel or someone else appointed by Milos. The data here is sensitive to users and our search partners, thus requiring extra care here.

The Aragonese team and Milos will be driving this bug to completion.

The current status in the repo at http://hg.mozilla.org/users/entaltoaragon_gmail.com/an/ is 

google
wikipedia-an
gea
bing

Mind sharing why you chose that set? Also, for gea, we'd need a permission from the site itself, and we probably need to review the implementation of that plugin.

Comment 1

[Daniel Martinez]

GEA is an encyclopedia in Spanish, but the contents are related to the region of Aragón, where the aragonese language is spoken. GEA's owner is "Dicom Medios S. L.", you can contact they at [e-mail]
The legal info about this page is at http://www.enciclopedia-aragonesa.com/info/legal.asp (in Spanish)

From this set, the only page that has contents in aragonese is wikipedia, but I think that it's ok to use at least Google for the global search.

Anyway this set is open to your recommendations.

Comment 2

[Daniel Martinez]

Do you need any more information about this from the team?

Comment 3

[Milos Dinic [:Milos]]

Given what you already have in your repo, I'd say:

general search engines: Google, Bing
language-specific search: gea, Wikipedia(an)

That said, we'll need 2 more search engines that are related to online shopping. In en-US, we use Amazon and eBay - would you consider those be better than, for instance, what es-ES currently has in http://hg.mozilla.org/releases/l10n/mozilla-aurora/es-ES/file/96e4e293d0d1/browser/searchplugins/list.txt ?

Comment 4

[Daniel Martinez]

You can add eBay-es engine, and twitter if isn't mandatory that both be online shopping related.

Comment 5

[Milos Dinic [:Milos]]

Daniel, so, here's what we we're up with so far:

general search engines: Google, Bing
specific interest search: gea, Wikipedia(an), twitter
e-commerce: eBay(es-ES)

This means we'll need approval for using gea. I can send them an email in English, I'm putting that on my to-do list. I just wanted to confirm with you that this list is right, so we can start talking about implementation.

Speaking about implementation, we'll need to code simple opensearch plugins for gea and wikipedia(an)(we'll copy eBay(es) from Spanish l10n repository). Now, would you be comfortable with creating those, or would you like me to do it for you. If you find it easy for you to do it, I'm all in, but if you think it would take a lot of time for you to do it, then it's probably better for me to help you with that.

Milos.

Comment 6

[Daniel Martinez]

I confirm this list as right one.

In my user repo, we have an implementation for wikipedia-an and GEA, maybe you want to check if 
https://hg.mozilla.org/users/entaltoaragon_gmail.com/an/file/a98305a59056/browser/searchplugins/gea.xml

and

https://hg.mozilla.org/users/entaltoaragon_gmail.com/an/file/a98305a59056/browser/searchplugins/wikipedia-an.xml

are correct and we can use them for this.

Comment 7

[Pascal Chevrel:pascalc (PTO until April 26)]

Milos, did you contact Gea?

Comment 8

[Milos Dinic [:Milos]]

Sent an email to GEA owner.

Comment 9

[Daniel Martinez]

GEA owner didn't answer a previous email that we sent time ago... I don't know if they will answer you...
Anyway, we can forget this search engine if they don't answer, it was only a suggestion, it isn't important.

Comment 10

[Milos Dinic [:Milos]]

Daniel, 

there's still no response from GEA owner, so there's not much we can do there, except for waiting. Anyhow, we should proceed with what we have, and if GEA's owner replies, we can easily add it to search engines list later.

So, I wanted to ask you one more question: Do you think Amazon would work for Aragonese users?

Comment 11

[Daniel Martinez]

Maybe, as a global online store it could be useful for users, I think that we can add it to the list.

Comment 12

[Milos Dinic [:Milos]]

Daniel,

so, I propose we go with:

google
yahoo(in Spanish)
bing
twitter
eBay(in Spanish, ie. es-ES)
wikipedia(in Aragonese)

Would you agree?

Comment 13

[Daniel Martinez]

Yes, we're agree with that.

Comment 14

[arky [:arky]]

Milos, Do you need any further information here ?

Comment 15

[Milos Dinic [:Milos]]

Attachment: Remove gea, copy eBay and yahoo from es-ES, add twitter

Axel, patch is ready with an r? on you.

Arky, once we get r+ from Axel, I'll go ahead and push this upstream.

Comment 16

[Milos Dinic [:Milos]]

Done in http://hg.mozilla.org/releases/l10n/mozilla-aurora/an/rev/0a259ff7e0d8

Comment 17

[Francesco Lodolo [:flod]]

I'm running some automated tests and found these errors for Aragonese

Error analyzing searchplugin (an, browser, aurora, yahoo-es.xml)
junk after document element: line 23, column 0

Error analyzing searchplugin (an, browser, aurora, eBay-es.xml)
junk after document element: line 23, column 0

It looks like the patch didn't land clean, the code for each plugin is present twice. It's easier to see looking at each plugin:
http://hg.mozilla.org/releases/l10n/mozilla-aurora/an/file/0a259ff7e0d8/browser/searchplugins/eBay-es.xml
http://hg.mozilla.org/releases/l10n/mozilla-aurora/an/file/0a259ff7e0d8/browser/searchplugins/yahoo-es.xml

Comment 18

[Milos Dinic [:Milos]]

Attachment: Fixing yahoo and ebay search plugins

Comment 19

[Milos Dinic [:Milos]]

Fixed in http://hg.mozilla.org/releases/l10n/mozilla-aurora/an/rev/4292fca41090

Sorry for the confusion.