84271 - Fizzilla defaults to old CJK fonts (Osaka instead of Hiragino Pro)

Status: RESOLVED WORKSFORME

(Core Graveyard :: GFX: Mac, enhancement, P4)

Description

[Henri Sivonen (:hsivonen)]

Build ID: 2001-06-05 FizzillaCFM

Steps to reproduce:
1) Create a new profile if necessary
2) Take a look at the East Asian font prefs

Actual results:
Fizzilla defaults to Mac OS 8.x/9.x era fonts.

Expected results:
Expected Fizzilla to default to the new fonts that Apple is shipping with Mac OS
X when it makes sense to use the new fonts.

For example, in the Japanese prefs Osaka is the default for serif, sans-serif
and cursive. It might be better to use Hiragino Mincho Pro W3 for serif &
cursive and to use Hiragino Kaku Gothic Pro W3 for sans-serif.

Disclaimer: I can't actually read these languages, so there is a chance I am
missing the point.

Comment 1

[Frank Tang]

OSX related bug. Reassign to nhotta. 
We need more study about this before do anything. 
Keep this bug as no target for now. 

Comment 2

[Frank Tang]

mark as moz0.9.3

Comment 3

[Frank Tang]

move to m94 and ftang

Comment 4

[Hong Kwon]

Is the 0.9.4 milestone realistic?  We are branching on Friday.

Comment 5

[Frank Tang]

no, move to 95

Comment 6

[Frank Tang]

P4.

Comment 7

[Frank Tang]

dear nhotta- can you do some research on this ?
I know pierre once try to put the multiple default font name fallback ont omac 
from our window code which shanjian wrote, I am not sure it's done or not. maybe 
we can use that facility for this. 

cc pierre

Comment 8

[Pierre Saslawsky]

Multiple default fonts are decribed under bug 71539 which covers the 
implementation on the Mac of bug 61883.

Comment 9

[Frank Tang]

reassign back to ftang:
got answer from [e-mail]

Frank,

Here are the answers to the font questions you asked me:
For Japanese it would be: "ƒqƒ‰ƒMƒm–¾’© Pro W3", "ƒqƒ‰ƒMƒmŠpƒS Pro W3",
"Osaka-“™•�", "ƒqƒ‰ƒMƒmŠÛƒS Pro W4", "ƒqƒ‰ƒMƒmŠÛƒS Pro W4". Note, it is much
better if they can use font fallback like the system does, e.g. use Western
set of fonts for Latin characters.

Cyrillic fonts have been renamed to:   "Times CY" "Helvetica CY" "Monaco CY"

Turkish is a Roman variant covered by our Western script fonts.
i.e. Western "Times" "Helvetica" "Courier" "Apple Chancery" "Gadget"
Apple Chancery and Gadget are not shipped on OSX.

For OSX the same fonts are available on the menu or an updated set could be
used.

Don't have info on Baltic but assume same as Turkish if it is latin script.
Which languages does baltic cover?

Your Thai is OK, though we may add/change the fonts for Thai in OSX.

Arabic would be "AB Geeza" "AB AlBayan" "AB Baghdad" "AB Kufi" "AB Nadeem"
Though I'm not certain of the style matches.

Comment 10

[Frank Tang]

switch your brwoser to shift jis to see the previous comment

Comment 11

[Frank Tang]

to implement this, we probably need a fallback default font mechanism as what we 
have in window.

Comment 12

[Pierre Saslawsky]

There is a dependency on bug 71539 already.

Comment 13

[Frank Tang]

bug 71539 is MORE than what we really need to depend on. We really need A
fallback default font solution, but 71539 include other platform and pref UI. We
need to break down dependency , instead of build UP dependency.

Comment 14

[nhottanscp]

move to 0.9.8

Comment 15

[Frank Tang]

mass move unimportant m9.8 bug to m9.9 for now. 

Comment 16

[Frank Tang]

give this to nhotta and m1.0

Comment 17

[Frank Tang]

nsbeta1+ per triage meeting 

Comment 18

[nhottanscp]

Remove depends for bug 71539.
My current plan for nsbeta1 is to change the names to "Hiragano" for Japaense.
For OS9, the default "Osaka" is used. I can also change Chinese and Korean fonts
if we know the font names.

Comment 19

[nhottanscp]

New Japanese fonts for MacOS X.
Serif:
Hiragino Mincho Pro W3
Hiragino Mincho Pro W6

Sans Serif:
Hiragino Kaku Gothic Pro W3
Hiragino Kaku Gothic Pro W6
Hiragino Kaku Gothic Std W8

The current default for MacOS X is Osaka (for both serif and sans serif), this
is because we set defaults for MacOS 9 fonts which are not included in MacOS X.
I tried the new fonts and I actually prefer Osaka. It is more legible than
Mincho and Gothic.
Cc to momoi, I think he did a research about the default font before.

Comment 20

[nhottanscp]

Attachment: Screen shot Netscape JA home page with "Osaka" set as Japanese font.

Comment 21

[nhottanscp]

Attachment: Screen shot Netscape JA home page with "Hiragino Mincho Pro W3" set as Japanese font.

Comment 22

[nhottanscp]

Attachment: Screen shot Netscape JA home page with "Hiragino Kaku Gothic Pro W3" set as Japanese font.

Comment 23

[nhottanscp]

So I think the current font "Osaka" is fine for the MacOS X default.

Comment 24

[nhottanscp]

removing nsbeta+ to triage again

Comment 25

[nhottanscp]

nsbeta1- per i18n triage

Comment 26

[Steve Dagley]

Considering bug's current status removing as a blocker for 102998 

Comment 27

[Henri Sivonen (:hsivonen)]

> So I think the current font "Osaka" is fine for the MacOS X default.

I'm not qualified to comment on the readablility of Japanese fonts since I can't
read Japanese. However, shouldn't Mozilla have a serif font set as the Japanese
serif font and a sans-serif font as the Japanese sans-serif font? If all the
generic families map to Osaka, it defeats the purpose of having generic font
families.

This issue is probably worth revisiting when Mozilla gets Quartz font
rasterization support, since that will have an impact on the exact look of fonts.

How about the Chinese and Korean defaults?

Comment 28

[Frankie]

also defaults to Osaka in Mach-O 20030227

Comment 29

[Asaf Romano (gone)]

I can take it, if someone will attach the needed changes (what font for what
category for what language...).

Comment 30

[Asaf Romano (gone)]

Jshin, any word here (comment 29)?

Comment 31

[Smokey Ardisson (offline for a while; not following bugs - do not email)]

Attachment: Gecko charsets/locales styled with CSS fonts

The Japanese changes (comment 9) seem to have been made some time ago. 
However, I'm not sure they (nor any of the Chinese or Korean fonts) are working
properly (bug 246527)?

The "copy-paste from the attached webpage into TextEdit" test reveals different
fonts being used in reality in certain cases (JP.mono, Ko.serif, Simplified and
Traditional).  "Fallback" to the OS default seems to be working in this test
(everything appears to be displayed), so it may not be anything to worry about
until bug 246527 gets fixed.

Comment 32

[Smokey Ardisson (offline for a while; not following bugs - do not email)]

Attachment: Gecko charsets/locales styled with CSS fonts (revised/corrected by jshin)

jshin fixed some errors in my test page over in bug 159809.  

I *think* this bug should be resolved by the patch under review in bug 159809.

Comment 33

[Smokey Ardisson (offline for a while; not following bugs - do not email)]

(In reply to comment #31)

> The "copy-paste from the attached webpage into TextEdit" test reveals different
> fonts being used in reality in certain cases (JP.mono, Ko.serif, Simplified and
> Traditional).

That is because we can't copy styled text out of Gecko.  So, as far as I can
tell, this bug is fixed (and has been for some time, pre-bug 159809).