Closed
Bug 114061
Opened 23 years ago
Closed 23 years ago
red star default desktop icon is offending to many people
Categories
(SeaMonkey :: General, defect)
Tracking
(Not tracked)
VERIFIED
INVALID
People
(Reporter: robert.pollak, Assigned: asa)
References
Details
Once again this topic turned in n.p.m.general into a place of flamewar - see the current thread "WTF! mozilla,". CC'ing hecker@mozilla.org as Henri Sivonen proposed there. And let me quote Henri > Some people in California in 1998 thought it was a revolutionary symbol > for something that is supposed to be revolutionary. > > It's a bad choice, IMO. It is useless to try to explain the bad > connotations away. !Important: Any advocacy should be continued in the newsgroup! Use bugzilla only for >>>comments about technical problems of fixing this<<<. First technical question: The icon is probably a resource for building the installer. Which filetype/size/color depth is it? Does it make sense to attach replacement proposals here?
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Updated•23 years ago
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Target Milestone: --- → mozilla1.0
The star is not an error. Replacements do not make sense, there is nothing that needs fixing. If you propose taking "politics" to the newsgroups, please follow your own advice. This bug is invalid - resolving as such.
Status: UNCONFIRMED → RESOLVED
Closed: 23 years ago
Resolution: --- → INVALID
Comment 2•23 years ago
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> The star is not an error. AFAIK, mozilla.org is trying to produce a browser and the purpose of Mozilla and mozilla.org is not to offend people or promite regime(s) commonly associated with the red star. Evidence from numerous NG threads suggests that some people find the red star offensive, so arguing that it isn't offensive is pointless. Considering that the red star is a problem to some and keeping it isn't essential to Mozilla, this is a valid bug. > Replacements do not make sense, Using the letter M as on Mac OS X makes sense: it works as an icon but doesn't come with the connotations of the red star. Reopening.
Status: RESOLVED → UNCONFIRMED
Resolution: INVALID → ---
Comment 3•23 years ago
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This is a duplicate... This issue has already been discussed to death in bugzilla bugs...
Updated•23 years ago
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Target Milestone: mozilla1.0 → ---
Comment 4•23 years ago
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invalid. This is a dupe, too busy to search.
Status: UNCONFIRMED → RESOLVED
Closed: 23 years ago → 23 years ago
Resolution: --- → INVALID
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Comment 5•23 years ago
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Yes, this is a dup of bug 43647. Seems I was not the only one who had difficulties finding this.
Comment 6•22 years ago
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If this really is a duplicate of bug 43647 it should be marked as such, not RESOLVED INVALID. I'm not convinced this is a dupe though; even though this issue has been discussed there, that bug is about the ugliness of all icons, this one is about the red star's offensiveness. If bugzilla supported related bugs (bug 12286), they should definitely be marked as related though. Also, this one should possibly be categorized in Tech Evangelism, not Browser.
Comment 7•22 years ago
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*** Bug 145624 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. ***
Comment 8•22 years ago
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Yes, this is now the politics bug, I agree. Somebody should v. this. (communism, communist)
Comment 10•22 years ago
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The red stars seem to be disappearing from my KDE menus and window titles. I understand that for those (IMO misguided) idealists for whom this symbol meant something good, this would be a difficult decision. Many thanks.
Comment 11•20 years ago
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I still see the red star in 1.8alpha1 in the "About Mozilla." I know there is a lot of nostalgia to the star for the netscape employees that were recently let go and to some that have follow Mozilla since '98, but this has offended me and many others that I know. The star smacks of communistic ideology. How hard would it be to make another design? This logo was definitely not made by a sociologist. The logo needs updated anyway. It was made way back in 1998. Why not make a new logo for Mozilla 2.0?
Comment 12•20 years ago
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Open Source is a communist method of production, so the red star is a natural symbol for Mozilla project. The source code (the means of production) belongs to the community, and MPL abolishes any privatization of it, this makes Mozilla communist by definition. Look through your English dictionaries for the definition of the word "communist". http://mithgol.pp.ru/Mozilla/
Comment 13•20 years ago
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I think we should take away any window from any building: it offenses me reminding about M$ (mis?)operating system. ;-) Bruno (In reply to comment #11) > I still see the red star in 1.8alpha1 in the "About Mozilla." I know there is a > lot of nostalgia to the star for the netscape employees that were recently let > go and to some that have follow Mozilla since '98, but this has offended me and > many others that I know. The star smacks of communistic ideology. How hard > would it be to make another design? This logo was definitely not made by a > sociologist. The logo needs updated anyway. It was made way back in 1998. Why > not make a new logo for Mozilla 2.0?
Updated•20 years ago
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Product: Browser → Seamonkey
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