Closed Bug 1153938 Opened 10 years ago Closed 10 years ago

[marketing][screenshots][fr]: localization needed for 2.0

Categories

(Mozilla Localizations :: fr / French, defect)

Product:
Mozilla Localizations
Component:
fr / French
Platform:
x86
macOS
Type:
defect
Priority:
Not set
Severity:
normal

Tracking

(Not tracked)

Status:
RESOLVED FIXED

People

(Reporter: CocoMo, Assigned: tlow87)

Details

Flod, Could you please add "fr" to the list? Thanks!
File added in r140187, only 21 strings recovered from the previous version.
Hello Theo, Thanks for taking on the task. *Source file*: https://svn.mozilla.org/projects/l10n-misc/trunk/firefoxos-marketing/fr/screenshots_2_0.lang *References*: - 1.3 source file: https://svn.mozilla.org/projects/l10n-misc/trunk/firefoxos-marketing/fr/screenshots.lang - 2.0: English screenshots: https://mozilla.app.box.com/files/0/f/2891772563/EN This is a high priority project. The screenshots would be needed for numerous launches in Africa starting May 1st. The sooner we finish this the sooner we can share with PR, marketing and partners Thank you, Peiying
Thanks Flod, any leverage is helpful.
Will the 2.0 screenshots be used in Africa *only*? I'm not sure which set of fake names is best to use here: If it's only for Saharan Africa: https://www.facebook.com/notes/piccmicom-officiel/des-noms-de-famille-identiques-un-peu-partout-en-afrique-noire/1386984111526411 (Cameroun, Senegal, Ivory Coast, South Africa…) http://www.journaldesfemmes.com/nom-de-famille/noms/1/1/france.shtml Common names used in France Common names used in North Africa would be different as well. If we're not using common names from France, we should update pictures as well. Also, I won't be able to tell if first + last name does sound natural, except for names used in France.
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Theo, thank you for the update and questions. For the time being, we are only looking at West Africa and North Africa. We are going to create two separate sets so the images are more relevant. Common names - thank you for the link. I think we will pick a few there, and we will have to reach out for the common names in the ME and North Africa area to make it more generic. In fact we will need two sets of English as well. We are reviewing some suggested images for these regions. Once the people photos are chosen, we will pair up the names. It is not as straight forward as some other languages.
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Thanks for the clarification, Peiying :) Therefore I'll push all the strings that I think are generic enough to be used in all the target regions. Then we'll ask people from those regions to provide the remaining strings? Would that work for you?
Hi Tannie & Ibrahima, @tannie: Just updated the file, so that you can start working on it: http://viewvc.svn.mozilla.org/vc/projects/l10n-misc/trunk/firefoxos-marketing/fr/screenshots_2_0.lang?view=co Here's some general guidance: As discussed with Peiying, artists/songs will be kept from English. Please make sure to remove AM/PM everywhere (there are a LOT of them). Screenshot 03: beware, I changed the day number (1 -> 3), because in French it should be "1er" and we don't support that yet on the OS, so that's a bit ugly. Screenshots 12, 17 and 35: B should be o KB should be Ko MB should be Mo GB should be Go Screenshot 35: - Haven't provided translation for the dog picture, because it will be replaced with something else. As discussed above, we will create two sets of names, one for West Africa and another one for North Africa, as soon as we have the new pictures. @Ibrahima: If you have the opportunity to review the file, that would be greatly appreciated :) If you find things that should be avoided, changed (cultural issues, things that doesn't feel natural…), or have suggestions for company names (we still miss 5 of them, I'm a bit out of ideas), please shoot!
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Thank you Theo!! Good summary of what's left to do. Tannie, Let's shift our focus on French as it is high priority for the launch. Can you select the images now or do you have to wait for Matej's approval?
Assignee: bugzilla.fr → tlow87
Screens ready for string review: https://mozilla.box.com/s/muy0p39sw3btsxv1a54720paxk9ezflg Once we have the names and images, we can work on the 11-Contact_List and 35-Video_List.
Flags: needinfo?(tlow87)
(In reply to Tannie Low from comment #9) > Screens ready for string review: > https://mozilla.box.com/s/muy0p39sw3btsxv1a54720paxk9ezflg > > Once we have the names and images, we can work on the 11-Contact_List and > 35-Video_List. Hi Tannie, Can you add theo.chevalier11@gmail.com to the folder please?
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Done!
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Thanks Tannie! I've been able to give it a first review, please give it a shot when you have a chance: Screenshot 03: Please replace the "1" in the two little calendars (top and bottom) with a "3", so that it matches the day number, like on the device. Screenshot 04: "Where" should be "Où ?" The first [NAME HERE] should be "Agenda travail" (Work calendar) Screenshot 05: "Room 801" should be "Salle 03" Missing space in "Rappel:", before ":". Screenshot 09: "Me le rappeler" should be "Répétition" "Répétition" should be "Rappel" Screenshot 12: I think that "200 Ko" should be "200 Mo", otherwise the scale looks really weird :) Screenshot 15: Missing space before the 4 ":" in the screenshot (À, Cc, Cci, Objet). Good to have: replacing the QWERTY layout with an AZERTY one, if you have the assets. Screenshot 17: "From:" > "De :" "To:" > "À :" "CC:" > "Cc :" At the end of the message, please replace "Merci !" with "À bientôt !" (I didn't understand it would be used here) Screenshot 27: Please replace the object "Des nouvelles" with "Rendez-vous" (that didn't match the discussion) That's all! Thanks :)
Thank you so much! All screens updated: https://mozilla.box.com/s/muy0p39sw3btsxv1a54720paxk9ezflg I'll comment here as soon as I have the screens with localized images ready for review.
Hi, don't know if it's the right place here to comment but I realise those screenshots show 4G and single SIM on the status bar. For PR use when we will launch Firefox OS 2.0 in Africa in french speaking countries, we might need 3G+ and dual SIM on the status bar. might be good to check with PR team what they need exactly. Same question for our website maybe.
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thanks for flagging Natalia - we definitely need screenshots that represent exactly what will be seen on the devices. If the current ones are wrong we need them updated asap, given first launches are fast approaching and we need to make press kits.
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Tannie, has Matej purchased the images we need for what you need? Based on the info, we need to create two sets of French: one with single SIM and one with duel SIMs
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Dual SIMs will be easy, but I still need localized names and images :(
Hi Ibrahima and Mohomodou, Could you help provide 12 sets of names, 6 female names and 6 male names? List them below and indicate which one is Male or Female. We need first letter in their last names to be in consecutive order, such as K, L M, or F, G, H. Thank you, Peiying
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BTW, we need "made up" names sound authentic for West/Central Africa area.
(In reply to Tannie Low from comment #13) > Thank you so much! All screens updated: > https://mozilla.box.com/s/muy0p39sw3btsxv1a54720paxk9ezflg Thanks Tannie. You missed the "Room 801" that needs to be replaced with "Salle 03" on screenshot 05, otherwise that looks good to me.
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FEMALE A: Aminata; C: Coumba; F: Fanta; K: Kadiatou; M: Mariama; S: Salma; Y: Yewande; Z: Zeinaba MALE A: Amara; C: Chima; F: Fana; K: Kofi; M: Mamadou; S: Samba; Y: Yoro; Z: Zakaria I hope I understood the assignment right. Here a set of first names taken from different parts of West Africa, which doesn't say much because of the great wealth in names. A name may sound feminine or masculine depending on the area. So I hope these are less ambiguous.
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Hi Mohomodou, Thank you for your swift reply, really appreciate it. Thanks for putting into the consideration on gender issue. This is always the most challenging part of the screenshot project, because the intent is difficult to explain as the "rule" doesn't apply to all the languages. Question: - We also need surnames provide. Do people always have a last name or it depends?. When sorting in a searchable order (if family name and given name are present), by custom, is it sorted by family name or given name? - We would like to have you stick to 3 letters (depending on sorting order of given or family name). So choose ABC or KLM or XYZ as the letter group to consider. Both male and female names share the same letter initials, like what you did, but we need you to choose only three of the letters, not 8 you end up now. Let me know if you have any questions.
Hello Peiying, I see to miss part of the picture – i.e context. For ex, I don't know exactly what screenshots have to do with first or last names. Maybe it is simpler if there is a simple form to fill in with last names. The common sequence on common keyboards is more like ABC, DEF, GHI, JKL, MNO, etc. Does any surname beginning with A, B or C go under ABC, for ex? How many surnames are needed. As for a rule for surnames, it is surely complicated and I have no expertise on the intricacies of the matter. Roughly speaking, I see (as a lay observer) at least 3 models: 1) West African societies with a tradition of established family names; 2) those that align two first names: the child's followed his father's; and 3) the ones with two first names separated by a particle meaning "son of" or "daughter of". For ex, case 2 (Hausa, Zarma-Songhay, Northern Fulah) and 3 (Arab/Hasaniya, Tuareg) are prevalent in the Sahel area. Case 1 more to the central and southern parts of the region. Now all these societies are made to conform to a first name, family name model. The way to go about it is far from attaining consistency to date. Take these two siblings: Baba and Halima, son and daughter of Ahmed. This gives for the Tuareg: Baba Ag Ahmed and Halima Walet Ahmed. #Case 3# Some sort them using "Ahmed", others using "Ag" or "Walet" (particle meaning "son of" or "daughter of") for the alphabetical order. (FYI, my name is Case 2 and Ibrahima's Case 1.)
Hi Mohomodou, I just shared the link of screenshots so you have some context of what we are looking for. If by some custom, only one name is used, that's fine. We just need a mix of names in the Contact feature, as well as names we can use in email/text message sender, dialer screen, etc. https://mozilla.app.box.com/files/0/f/2891772563 Thank you! Peiying
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A Aminata Abba Akin Ademola (m) Jonas Alabi (m) Madina Albarka (f) Fatima Alkaydi (f) Assalat Altini )m) Bocar Anne (m) Ismaïl Atta (m) Tahia Aw (f) Attahir Aya (m) Yoro Azaman (m) B Daouda Bâ (m) Taher Ballo (m) Nènè Bane (f) Sokona Barry (f) Astou Bathily (f) Yachim Bello (m) Kalilou Berthé Kadidia Bocoum (f) Zeïnaba Boré (f) C Oumou Camara (f) Adama Cissé (m/f) Aïda Cissokho (f) Madani Colo (m) Halima Condé (f) Hawa Coulibaly (f) Souleymane Coulibaly (m) Almamy Couma (m) Aïssata Coumaré (f) D Maïmouna Dagana (f) Hassane Diakité (m) Mariam Dabo (f) Penda Diallo (f) Fana Diarra (m) Cheikh Diaw (m) Chérif Diawara (m) Samba Dicko (m) Biram Diop (m) Dahirou Dioumassi (m) Valentin Djédjé (m) Salima Djigandé (f) Sidy Doucouré (m) Fatou Dramé (f) Zakaria Dravé (m)
Thanks a mil, Mohomodou!! There is plenty for Tannie to choose from.
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Great if it helps. Good luck.
Screenshots updated with localized (West Africa) images: https://mozilla.box.com/s/muy0p39sw3btsxv1a54720paxk9ezflg Matej, we need to create some new strings to compliment the new images on 35-Video_List: https://mozilla.box.com/s/32wnqt642rgbyog56vn1wwkwcxcpt4k3 Once you come up with the English strings, I'll request translations for French and Wolof (https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1124807). Also, do you think we should request more action/landscape photos fro the 21-Gallery_Thumbnails pages? I had to use several contact images near the bottom, and it breaks the flow a bit. But let me know what you think. If everyone else could please review the images and text, and let me know what changes you would suggest. Thanks!!
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Hi Theo, take a look of the updates while we wait for the "activity strings" used in Video screen.
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Hi Tannie, Quick review :) Screenshot 20: Just noticed that "Modifier" was the header for 1.3 and I changed it in 2.0. So it should be instead "Mode édition" Screenshot 27 (message) and in screenshot 31 (notification): There's a typo that Lizie spotted. It should be: "Non pas de souci, à tout à l’heure !" (removing "s" to "soucis"). Screenshot 35: "Mo" instead of "MB" (just so that we won't forget them in the final rush ;)) Video descriptions: 1st: "Hassane dans son atelier de sculpture" 2nd: "Départ à la pêche" 3rd: "Après-midi foot" 4th: "Une sieste bien méritée !" I'll let Mohomodou tell if the names are matching the pictures. Thanks!
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hi Mohomodou and Ibrahima, Need your help on company names or type of professional jobs. If you can provide 6 common jobs or fake company names in English in the area, Theo can translate them in to French. This info will go with contact names. Thanks again for your help!
Theo, could you provide me with the English versions of the Video descriptions?
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(In reply to Tannie Low from comment #28) > Screenshots updated with localized (West Africa) images: > https://mozilla.box.com/s/muy0p39sw3btsxv1a54720paxk9ezflg > > Matej, we need to create some new strings to compliment the new images on > 35-Video_List: https://mozilla.box.com/s/32wnqt642rgbyog56vn1wwkwcxcpt4k3 How are these? 1. Handmade arts and crafts 2. Out on the water 3. Soccer on the beach 4. Taking a break > Also, do you think we should request more action/landscape photos fro the > 21-Gallery_Thumbnails pages? I had to use several contact images near the > bottom, and it breaks the flow a bit. But let me know what you think. I think even just one more could help here. Is there something from another set that you could use?
Here are the South Africa images: https://mozilla.box.com/s/0spjc5uxrf404pmdf3cvm3vz22it94xo I'll take a few from here for now.
(In reply to Peiying Mo [:CocoMo] from comment #31) > hi Mohomodou and Ibrahima, > > Need your help on company names or type of professional jobs. If you can > provide 6 common jobs or fake company names in English in the area, Theo can > translate them in to French. This info will go with contact names. Thanks > again for your help! Wouldn't it be simpler to just give the names and positions in French and Theo could review them? Unless you need them first in English, then in French and other languages... I can get around it a bit later.
(In reply to Mohomodou Houssouba from comment #36) > (In reply to Peiying Mo [:CocoMo] from comment #31) > > hi Mohomodou and Ibrahima, > > > > Need your help on company names or type of professional jobs. If you can > > provide 6 common jobs or fake company names in English in the area, Theo can > > translate them in to French. This info will go with contact names. Thanks > > again for your help! > > Wouldn't it be simpler to just give the names and positions in French and > Theo could review them? Unless you need them first in English, then in > French and other languages... I can get around it a bit later. Yeah, if you can get them in French, that would be perfect, you know better than me how company names are supposed to be :)
(In reply to Tannie Low from comment #35) > 20,27,31,35 updated: > https://mozilla.box.com/s/muy0p39sw3btsxv1a54720paxk9ezflg Thanks! Just a trailing " character on screenshot 35, otherwise it looks good. (I didn't use any English string to get the video description in French, because for those particular strings, we usually have to rephrase the entire en-US string to get something that sounds natural)
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35 revised! I went ahead and used Matej's English suggestions. Thanks!
Company names / Positions 1. Agence municipale de gestion de l'eau / Agent de recouvrement (Agente de recouvrement) 2. Musée du Parc National / Curateur textiles (Curatrice textiles) 3. Institut supérieur de technique / Directeur général (Directrice générale) 4. Laboratoire vétérinaire régional / Responsable du contrôle de qualité 5. Boulangerie du Carrefour / Chef pâtissier 6. Banque nationale de l'habitat (BNH) / Informaticien 7. Ets Wabab Bazin / Agent commercial Here my proposals, fictional names to be sure, except for coincidence. In 3 cases you also have the feminine form (in brackets).
Thanks so much! We'll need company names in English as well for the corresponding set: https://mozilla.box.com/s/vu441zgojvmcpsh5h139zeuaaku0gi05 Could you provide the Company Names only in English please?
Revised 11-Contact_List: https://mozilla.box.com/s/69qpx20h0010v407s78h7tfctbhqt3k9 Could you please provide one more final review of all the screenshots? I think we're almost done!
1. Municipal Water Management Agency / 2. Museum in the National Park / 3. Higher Technical Institute / 4. Regional Veterinary Laboratory / 5. Carrefour Fine Bakery / 6. National Housing Bank (NHB) / 7. Wahab Bazin Trading Co. / * Hope that's what you are looking for. *
(In reply to Mohomodou Houssouba from comment #43) > 1. Municipal Water Management Agency / > 2. Museum in the National Park / > 3. Higher Technical Institute / > 4. Regional Veterinary Laboratory / > 5. Carrefour Fine Bakery / > 6. National Housing Bank (NHB) / > 7. Wahab Bazin Trading Co. / > > * Hope that's what you are looking for. * Thanks for these. I just have a few notes and questions: 2. Let's make it "National Park Museum" 3. I think it would sound better as "Higher Institute of Technology" 4. We can shorten "Laboratory" to "Lab" 5. "Carrefour" is real store, I'm not sure we can use that The rest look great.
No objection, please proceed. 2. Yes, initially I used this form. So back to it. 5. I didn't have that Carrefour in mind. I only vaguely know it exists. (Generic sense of "crossroad"). Either out or any alternative, as you wish. Thanks for the quick annotation.
Thanks so much! You both provided plenty to choose from. I like only using a few, EN version has been updated (https://mozilla.box.com/s/cxk9rsg5eiygkcd3bybfu4dyjd7ju4h8). Mohomodou, let me know if you approve of all the screenshots, including text and images: https://mozilla.box.com/s/muy0p39sw3btsxv1a54720paxk9ezflg
Tannie, I can access only the 41 images in the EN folder. To be sure, though these are great, they area unrelated to what we've been working on. Is there another set? I get an "access denied" error message on this link: https://mozilla.box.com/s/muy0p39sw3btsxv1a54720paxk9ezflg.
Great, they are beautifully done. Congratulations!
FR-WA has been added to the Partner Portal: https://partners.mozilla.org/portal/partners/#category/1419 Thanks everyone!!
Closing the bug as nothing more is needed from us
Status: NEW → RESOLVED
Closed: 10 years ago
Flags: needinfo?(ibrahima.sarr)
Resolution: --- → FIXED
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