Implement Page Info

VERIFIED FIXED in Camino1.0

Status

P3
enhancement
VERIFIED FIXED
17 years ago
13 years ago

People

(Reporter: bugzilla, Assigned: sfraser_bugs)

Tracking

({fixed1.8})

unspecified
Camino1.0
PowerPC
Mac OS X
fixed1.8
Bug Flags:
camino1.0 +

Details

Attachments

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(Reporter)

Description

17 years ago
an advanced feature, admittedly, but Page Info is useful for some folx (eg, web
developers).

Comment 1

17 years ago
From what I've read, Chimera isn't necessarily intended for a web developer
audience, so this might not be appropriate.

Comment 2

17 years ago
right, this isn't intended for a developer audience. But who knows, maybe there
will be a developer version later.
Summary: implement Page Info → [RFE] implement Page Info
(Assignee)

Comment 3

17 years ago
I can think of some fairly non-geeky things that users might want to see in this
dialog. The last mod date of a web page is one. Security status is another.
(Reporter)

Comment 4

16 years ago
side note: Edit > Get Info (cmd-I) is currently implemented in the toplevel
menubar. this is active iff a bookmark in the Sidebar has selected, and will
display the Info window for that bookmark.

in the future if Page Info is implemented, i imagine that the menubar option
will bring up Page Info rather than Get [bookmark] Info. i'd also think that
cmd-I will also bring up Page Info if the sidebar is closed, or if no bookmark
is selected in the sidebar. (though not sure what the behavior of cmd-I should
be if a bookmark *is* selected in the sidebar.)
Summary: [RFE] implement Page Info → Implement Page Info

Comment 5

16 years ago
I realize that this has been ignored for a few months now...

But I would like to comment on the usability of this feature. Being a Chimera
user and a Web Developer, this is something that I use all day long and
unfortunately the fact that it is missing will force me to use Mozilla. The only
reason that this is just now coming up is I just switched to OS X (from Windows).

As for the comment about it being a developer tool and most people wont
need/want it, how many non-developers use view source? Just a thought.

In response to highlighting a bookmark and doing a get info, this doesn't give
you the current page's query string.

Thanks for a great browser either way.
(Assignee)

Comment 6

16 years ago
Michael: what info do you need to see in Page Info?

Comment 7

16 years ago
Simon: Generaly the info I would be looking for is the query string.

?foo=bar&bar=baz...

Sometimes it's the only way to track down issues with dynamically generated
pages, espically when working on someone elses code. There may be a parameter
getting dropped or picking up the wrong value, when you can see through page
info what the page thinks it should be displaying you can find and fix the bugs.
Page Info is also needed by some non-developers like university students who
have been instructed to use the HTTP last modified date when referenceing a Web
page that doesn't clearly state the date of publication.

Things that are of interest to non-developers:
* Page URL (assuming that the info is displayed in a separate window there's at
least the threoretical chance of confusion if it isn't clear which HTTP resource
the info is about)
* HTTP last modified date in GMT/UTC (or in any case with the time zone clearly
indicated) but formatted accoding to the system pref indicating the date
formatting style.
* Encryption status

Things that are of interest for trouble-shooting:
* Media type (text/html, application/xhtml+xml, etc.)
* Character encoding if specified properly (HTTP header, meta tag, XML
declaration) or otherwise a note that the character encoding was guessed by
Chimera's character encoding detector.
* Size of the main file
* The sum of the sizes of the main file and all the associated HTTP objects
(images, style sheets, etc.) and the number of associated HTTP objects.
* Rendering mode (Standards/Almost Standards/Quirks)
* HTTP expiry date (or as a bonus as an amount of time relative to the present
moment)
* Cacheability status: was the page cached or is it considered stale already
* The value of the Vary HTTP header if any (or better yet, a view of all the
HTTP headers)

Comment 9

16 years ago
This would indeed be a nice faeture. Even "normal" might want to use this. And
for me as a web developer it's very very handy to have. 
not in camino. sorry.
Status: NEW → RESOLVED
Last Resolved: 16 years ago
Resolution: --- → WONTFIX
(Reporter)

Comment 11

14 years ago
afaict, Safari (v1.2.4) doesn't have page info either.
Status: RESOLVED → VERIFIED

Comment 12

13 years ago
*** Bug 306136 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. ***

Comment 13

13 years ago
Saying this feature is only useful to web developers is saying that View Source is more useful to non-
developers than Page Info. I'm not a developer, and I do use Page Info in other browsers. It doesn't need 
to be as loaded as in Firefox/Mozilla, just pretty basic things such as last-updated, media info and 
saving, etc.
(In reply to comment #13)
> just pretty basic things such as last-updated, media info and 
> saving, etc.

You can access most of these items, if not all, via bookmarklets such as those
at http://www.nada.de/mac/camitools/camiutils/ and
http://www.squarefree.com/bookmarklets/ (all of the latter may not work in Camino).
damn....we're saying let's litter our toolbars with bookmarklets just to get
some page info?
my real desire here is the security tab. we try to portray ourselves as the
"secure" browser and we have absolutely no way of verifying or viewing the
security info for a site? when we get the "untrusted authority" message, we have
absolutely no way to make our own desicion because there is no way to view the
certificate. damn...
the whole point about "view source" is rather valid. oh well...i'm not going to
reopen this myself but it would be nice if someone did.
(Assignee)

Comment 16

13 years ago
I'm going to reopen this. I think there is a good argument for having a simple
Page Info window.
Status: VERIFIED → REOPENED
Resolution: WONTFIX → ---
(Assignee)

Updated

13 years ago
Assignee: saari → sfraser_bugs
Status: REOPENED → NEW
Priority: -- → P3
Target Milestone: --- → Camino1.2
(Assignee)

Comment 17

13 years ago
Bringing back to 1.0. My plan is to have a simple floating window with a few bits of page info:

Page title
Page url
Page last modified

Site certificate
Connection security
Status: NEW → ASSIGNED
Target Milestone: Camino1.2 → Camino1.0
Flags: camino1.0+
(Assignee)

Comment 18

13 years ago
Checked into trunk.

Comment 19

13 years ago
2 things...

1) For the Site identity section, the first "i" in "identity" should be capitalized

2) I think you should consider renaming the title of the window, as the title is currently Page Info, but so is one of the individual sections. Perhaps General, the page title with smart truncation, <page title> Info, Page Attributes, or something of the sort.

Comment 20

13 years ago
Created attachment 204982 [details]
proposed new layout

Let me first say that I think that this is a big step in the right direction as now offer users some very good security tools.

Now for my comments, which will only be UI related:
1) I think the current layout is very cluttered an messy. The attachment shows how I think this could be easily solved. The key word here is to keep things simple. We don't need headers and subheaders, it only makes things more complicated. Just use right aligned text for the headers and left aligned for all the information.
2) If possible I'd also go for an all white background as oposed to the pinestripe. It's alot cleaner and is in line with how the Finder handles the info view. This isn't high priority.
3) You need to implement a minimuw width of at least +/- 335 pixels. just to ensure that it has the most optimal width for viewing the info.

ps: I will try and see if I can get you those additional icons asap.
(Assignee)

Comment 21

13 years ago
We don't use disabled (grey) titles anywhere else; why here?
Also, your screenshot shows a regular window, rather than a Utility window. Was that deliberate? It has significant implications for the functioning of the window.
(Assignee)

Comment 22

13 years ago
Page info checked in on branch and trunk.

Please file a new bug for page info improvements.
Status: ASSIGNED → RESOLVED
Last Resolved: 16 years ago13 years ago
Keywords: fixed1.8
Resolution: --- → FIXED

Comment 23

13 years ago
Simon: I'm fine with not using greyed titles. And I just that window quickly to show how it could be so, no it's shouldn't be a regular window. It should be like the inspector window it's now.

Comment 24

13 years ago
(In reply to comment #23)
> Simon: I'm fine with not using greyed titles. And I just that window quickly to
> show how it could be so, no it's shouldn't be a regular window. It should be
> like the inspector window it's now.

New bug for improvements filed as bug 319488.

cl

Updated

13 years ago
Status: RESOLVED → VERIFIED
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