192499 - junk mail filter does not work for already filtered mails

Status: RESOLVED DUPLICATE of bug 180153

(SeaMonkey :: MailNews: Message Display, defect)

Description

[Jari Juslin]

User-Agent:       Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.3b) Gecko/20030208
Build Identifier: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.3b) Gecko/20030208

Junk mail filter lets mails that match any normal message filter go through and
does not move them to Junk folder. As most of my incoming mail is filtered to
some sub-folder as they arrive, at least half of the spam gets through.

Especially annoying this is on the spams coming to mailing lists, as it'd be
much more inconvenient to let all the mailing lists to the inbox than that the
spam gets filtered to mailing list's folder and not to Junk, but having spam in
mailing list folder is inconvenient too.

Reproducible: Always

Steps to Reproduce:
1. Set mail-filter that filters all the messages coming to certain address to
some folder other than Inbox
2. Wait for a spam to arrive

Actual Results:  
When I receive spam that is addressed to mailing-list I have filter for, spam
gets filtered to mailing list's folder and not to Junk.

Expected Results:  
Move all the spam to Junk folder, even if they match some Message Filter criteria.

Comment 1

[Ray Charbonneau]

Spam filters should run on incoming mail only, before the other filters are
applied.  This would resolve not only this problem, but bug 180855 too.

Comment 2

[Bernd Kuemmerlen]

I have the same problem here, I would very much appreciate the behaviour
mentioned in comment #1

Comment 3

[Ivo Jansch]

Hmm, but then I'd like it to be configurable. I have one mailinglist that I want
to keep 'intact'. In other words, spam to that list should not be moved away. 

Maybe an option to tell it to ignore certain folders would be possible? Or some
kind of folder preferences where you can turn off the spam filte.r

Comment 4

[Claudiu Ionescu]

I confirm this bug on Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.3)
Gecko/20030312
Operating System Win XP

Comment 5

[a_ber]

I aslo confirm that this problem exists also in Mozilla 1.4rc1 and in
ThunderBird and for both POP3 and IMAP(remote) folders.
 

Comment 6

[Mike Cowperthwaite]

This bug requests the opposite of bug 198961.

Excluding folders from junk-mail controls is bug 180855.

Comment 7

[Jari Juslin]

I see now conflict here with bug 180855: In both what is requested is a
possibility to _select_ that some folders are not scanned for junk while some are.

In bug 180855 the problem was that 1) user had folders that were stored
remotely, 2) he had some high volume mailing list and 3) he wanted to delete the
messages and thus not scan them for being Junk or not.

It's completely another matter how often people are going to order themselves
email they are not willing to read, but I think this kind of logic would satisfy
all people spoken this far:

1) Make it possible for user to set per email account whether they are filtered
for Junk _and_
2) make it possible to override this on folder to folder basis.

In fact I think the default value for this could be defined by whether the email
account is using remote folders or not (IMAP or POP, respectively).

Why I would like to have these two different options is that I assume that for
most of us most of the folders of the same account are wanted to behave the same
way - for me it's "scan all folders except some", for someone using IMAP over
slow network it might be "scan only some selected folders".


And the another issue addressed in comments for these bugs: Messages should be
scanned before arriving into any folder. While I think this would be good, I
think it _should_ be enough just to mark whether some message has been scanned
or not yet. So, it does not much harm if some messages are scanned after
arriving to some folder as long as _nothing is scanned twice_. But I'll be happy
with either of these solution.


Does this make sense?

Comment 8

[Jari Juslin]

Argh! I meant that "I see _no_ conflict..."! Please forgive for a
sleep-deprivated non-native english-writer..

Comment 9

[louis bennett]

*** This bug has been marked as a duplicate of 180153 ***