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Mozilla rebranding (e.g. Messenger, not Mail & Newsgroups)

RESOLVED WONTFIX

Status

SeaMonkey
UI Design
RESOLVED WONTFIX
15 years ago
13 years ago

People

(Reporter: Daniel Wang, Assigned: Mikael Parknert)

Tracking

Trunk
x86
Windows 98
Dependency tree / graph

Firefox Tracking Flags

(Not tracked)

Details

(URL)

Attachments

(3 attachments, 4 obsolete attachments)

(Reporter)

Description

15 years ago
sorry for open this bug this late in the beta phase, but before Mozilla 1.4
finally arrives we should get the record straight. The Windows menu and
Preferences dialog still refers to the mail client as "Mail & Newsgroup," but it
should be Messenger according to the Mozilla Branding Strategy. We need to
change the wording for:
  Windows menu
  Quick Launch context menu
  Preference dialog
  chrome://messenger/locale/start.html
  Messenger Import dialog
(Reporter)

Updated

15 years ago
Depends on: 206840
(Reporter)

Updated

15 years ago
Depends on: 206841

Comment 1

15 years ago
This could even be blocking 1.4f, couldn't it? Daniel, I guess it's your part to
request this, since you're the reporter. Of course, only if you find this suitable.
(Assignee)

Comment 2

14 years ago
Created attachment 134345 [details] [diff] [review]
Proposed patch

This is my first patch posted to Mozilla, 
I hope I've done it right...

I have changed "Mail & Newsgroups" to Messenger, but I
did not change "Mail & Newsgroups Account Settings"
since I thought it to be more easier to understand 
"Mail & Newsgroups Account Settings" insted of
"Messenger Account Settings".

But I will gladly change these also if the community 
so wishes
(Reporter)

Comment 3

14 years ago
-> XP Apps
Assignee: asa → jag
Component: Browser-General → XP Apps
QA Contact: general → pawyskoczka
(Reporter)

Updated

14 years ago
Attachment #134345 - Flags: review?(neil.parkwaycc.co.uk)
(Assignee)

Updated

14 years ago
Attachment #134345 - Flags: superreview?(bienvenu)

Comment 4

14 years ago
I'm not sure what the party line is on this, especially with thunderbird, etc. I
personally think mail & newsgroup account settings is most clear for the user.

Comment 5

14 years ago
david: the Window menu has "Navigator" in seamonkey, not "Browser", so we should
use "Messenger" in seamonkey. Thunderbird is welcome to do something else.

arne.anka@stupido.com: would you change it to "Account Settings"? the extra
branding adds no value, although it does manage to make the menu wider.
Assignee: jag → arne.anka
(Assignee)

Comment 6

14 years ago
Created attachment 135008 [details] [diff] [review]
New patch

Since i made the last patch, a number of the help
files (that I also patched) have been copied to .xhtml 
(se bug 95770).

The new patch does not include patching help files (since
there is some major rewriting going on in bug 95770)
Attachment #134345 - Attachment is obsolete: true
(Reporter)

Comment 7

14 years ago
-<!ENTITY generalSettings.label            "General Settings">
+<!ENTITY generalSettings.label            "General Messenger Settings">

we should keep the original label.

-<!ENTITY enbJsCheckMailNews.label     "Enable JavaScript for Mail and News">
+<!ENTITY enbJsCheckMailNews.label     "Enable JavaScript for Messenger">

I think we can break rule here. Enable JS for Mail and News is more user friendly.
(Assignee)

Comment 8

14 years ago
Created attachment 135072 [details] [diff] [review]
New patch

changes from comment #7
Attachment #135008 - Attachment is obsolete: true
(Reporter)

Comment 9

14 years ago
Comment on attachment 135072 [details] [diff] [review]
New patch

-<!ENTITY enbJsCheckMailNews.label     "Mail &amp; Newsgroups">
+<!ENTITY enbJsCheckMailNews.label     "Messenger">
 <!ENTITY enbJsCheckMailNews.accesskey "m">
-<!ENTITY enbPluginCheckMailNews.label	   "Mail &amp; Newsgroups">
+<!ENTITY enbPluginCheckMailNews.label	   "Messenger">

These could also be unchanged.
Attachment #135072 - Flags: superreview?(bienvenu)
Attachment #135072 - Flags: review?(neil.parkwaycc.co.uk)

Comment 10

14 years ago
Comment on attachment 135072 [details] [diff] [review]
New patch

>-<!ENTITY disableCookieForMailNews.label "Disable cookies in Mail &amp; Newsgroups">
>+<!ENTITY disableCookieForMailNews.label "Disable cookies in Messenger">
I'd prefer "Disable cookies in email and news messages" here.

>-<!ENTITY disableImageInMailNews.label       "Do not load remote images in Mail &amp; Newsgroup messages">
>+<!ENTITY disableImageInMailNews.label       "Do not load remote images in Messenger messages">
Again, I'd prefer "... email and news messages", or just "... mail and news
messages" if you prefer. I don't have a problem with enbJsCheckMailNews.label
or enbPluginCheckMailNews.label though.
(Reporter)

Comment 11

14 years ago
>I'd prefer "Disable cookies in email and news messages" here.
nitty picky. I prefer "mail and news messages"

Comment 12

14 years ago
I downloaded mozilla-win32-installer.exe and noticed that the installer also
says Mail & Newsgroups instead of Messenger. This needs to be changed too.
(Assignee)

Comment 13

14 years ago
Created attachment 135547 [details] [diff] [review]
patch

Removed en-GB & en-DE from this patch since they need 
cleaning.
(Assignee)

Updated

14 years ago
Attachment #135072 - Attachment is obsolete: true
(Assignee)

Comment 14

14 years ago
Created attachment 135548 [details]
One version of scripts & plugins
(Assignee)

Comment 15

14 years ago
Created attachment 135549 [details]
Second version of scripts and plugin

I prefer this (the patch does this)
(Assignee)

Updated

14 years ago
Attachment #135547 - Flags: superreview?(bienvenu)
Attachment #135547 - Flags: review?(neil.parkwaycc.co.uk)

Comment 16

14 years ago
Comment on attachment 135547 [details] [diff] [review]
patch

Good catch on the plugin access key.

>-<!ENTITY enableMapi.label             "Use &vendorShortName; Mail as the default mail application">
>+<!ENTITY enableMapi.label             "Use Messenger as the default mail application">
Why did you remove the &vendorShortName; ?
(Assignee)

Comment 17

14 years ago
Created attachment 135826 [details] [diff] [review]
patch

comment #16: I diffed wrong version oops
new one
comment?
Attachment #135547 - Attachment is obsolete: true
(Reporter)

Comment 18

14 years ago
Comment on attachment 135826 [details] [diff] [review]
patch

This is good stuff. Neil, any chance of getting this long overdue change in?
Attachment #135826 - Flags: review?(neil.parkwaycc.co.uk)

Updated

14 years ago
Attachment #135826 - Flags: review?(neil.parkwaycc.co.uk) → review+
(Assignee)

Updated

14 years ago
Attachment #135826 - Flags: superreview?(jag)

Comment 19

14 years ago
Comment on attachment 135826 [details] [diff] [review]
patch

sr=jag
Attachment #135826 - Flags: superreview?(jag) → superreview+
(Assignee)

Comment 20

14 years ago
Comment on attachment 135826 [details] [diff] [review]
patch

request a= for 1.6b. low risk, only textual changes (and one access-key) -
biggest problem is documentation out of sync
Attachment #135826 - Flags: approval1.6b?

Comment 21

14 years ago
Comment on attachment 135826 [details] [diff] [review]
patch

a=asa (on behalf of drivers) for checkin to 1.6beta
Attachment #135826 - Flags: approval1.6b? → approval1.6b+
(Assignee)

Comment 22

14 years ago
Need help with check-in!
Status: NEW → ASSIGNED

Comment 23

14 years ago
Fix checked in. Daniel, do you have some time to update the Help documentation?
I'm not sure if I'll get to it or not.

BTW, I'd like documentation changes to go in a separate bug.
Status: ASSIGNED → RESOLVED
Last Resolved: 14 years ago
Resolution: --- → FIXED
Comment on attachment 135547 [details] [diff] [review]
patch

Patch is obsolete.
Attachment #135547 - Flags: superreview?(bienvenu)
Attachment #135547 - Flags: review?(neil.parkwaycc.co.uk)
Comment on attachment 135072 [details] [diff] [review]
New patch

Patch is obsolete.
Attachment #135072 - Flags: superreview?(bienvenu)
Attachment #135072 - Flags: review?(neil.parkwaycc.co.uk)
Comment on attachment 134345 [details] [diff] [review]
Proposed patch

Patch is obsolete.
Attachment #134345 - Flags: superreview?(bienvenu)
Attachment #134345 - Flags: review?(neil.parkwaycc.co.uk)

Comment 27

14 years ago
Where was the module owner approval on this branding change? I don't see any
input from David, Seth or myself here. 

Unfortunately this change is bogus and not correct. We do not brand ourselves as
Mozilla Messenger. That branding document is still under discussion and we have
no plans of using the messenger name. 

We need to back this out. I'll talk to Asa

Comment 28

14 years ago
Personally I find Messenger a name easy to confuse with Microsoft application.
Maybe it should have been different.

Comment 29

14 years ago
Reopening based on comment 27.
Status: RESOLVED → REOPENED
Resolution: FIXED → ---

Comment 30

14 years ago
The patch is checked in. Should I back it out since 1.6b is coming soon?

Comment 31

14 years ago
oh. nevermind. already backed out! sorry for the spam!

Comment 32

14 years ago
I personally think that "Mail & Newsgroups" as *name* is confusing. It makes
help texts read "Mail & Newsgroups formats your message as ...", making it sound
(to me) as if the mail standard does it, while it's merely our application which
does it.

However, other vendors want to choose even different names than "Mail &
Newsgroups" or "Messenger", that's why this bug should be fixed by fixing bug 84851.
(Reporter)

Comment 33

14 years ago
wontfix

The branding doc is way obsolete, and "messenger" is a confusing name. Let bug
84851 fix the issue about Mail & Newsgroups, Nesgroups, and Mail
Status: REOPENED → RESOLVED
Last Resolved: 14 years ago14 years ago
Resolution: --- → WONTFIX
Product: Core → Mozilla Application Suite
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