206838 - Mozilla rebranding (e.g. Messenger, not Mail & Newsgroups)

Status: RESOLVED WONTFIX

(SeaMonkey :: UI Design, defect)

Description

[Daniel Wang]

sorry for open this bug this late in the beta phase, but before Mozilla 1.4
finally arrives we should get the record straight. The Windows menu and
Preferences dialog still refers to the mail client as "Mail & Newsgroup," but it
should be Messenger according to the Mozilla Branding Strategy. We need to
change the wording for:
  Windows menu
  Quick Launch context menu
  Preference dialog
  chrome://messenger/locale/start.html
  Messenger Import dialog

Comment 1

[Benedikt Kantus]

This could even be blocking 1.4f, couldn't it? Daniel, I guess it's your part to
request this, since you're the reporter. Of course, only if you find this suitable.

Comment 2

[Mikael Parknert]

Attachment: Proposed patch

This is my first patch posted to Mozilla, 
I hope I've done it right...

I have changed "Mail & Newsgroups" to Messenger, but I
did not change "Mail & Newsgroups Account Settings"
since I thought it to be more easier to understand 
"Mail & Newsgroups Account Settings" insted of
"Messenger Account Settings".

But I will gladly change these also if the community 
so wishes

Comment 3

[Daniel Wang]

-> XP Apps

Comment 4

[David :Bienvenu]

I'm not sure what the party line is on this, especially with thunderbird, etc. I
personally think mail & newsgroup account settings is most clear for the user.

Comment 5

[timeless]

david: the Window menu has "Navigator" in seamonkey, not "Browser", so we should
use "Messenger" in seamonkey. Thunderbird is welcome to do something else.

[e-mail]: would you change it to "Account Settings"? the extra
branding adds no value, although it does manage to make the menu wider.

Comment 6

[Mikael Parknert]

Attachment: New patch

Since i made the last patch, a number of the help
files (that I also patched) have been copied to .xhtml 
(se bug 95770).

The new patch does not include patching help files (since
there is some major rewriting going on in bug 95770)

Comment 7

[Daniel Wang]

-<!ENTITY generalSettings.label            "General Settings">
+<!ENTITY generalSettings.label            "General Messenger Settings">

we should keep the original label.

-<!ENTITY enbJsCheckMailNews.label     "Enable JavaScript for Mail and News">
+<!ENTITY enbJsCheckMailNews.label     "Enable JavaScript for Messenger">

I think we can break rule here. Enable JS for Mail and News is more user friendly.

Comment 8

[Mikael Parknert]

Attachment: New patch

changes from comment #7

Comment 9

[Daniel Wang]

Comment on attachment 135072 [details] [diff] [review]
New patch

-<!ENTITY enbJsCheckMailNews.label     "Mail &amp; Newsgroups">
+<!ENTITY enbJsCheckMailNews.label     "Messenger">
 <!ENTITY enbJsCheckMailNews.accesskey "m">
-<!ENTITY enbPluginCheckMailNews.label	   "Mail &amp; Newsgroups">
+<!ENTITY enbPluginCheckMailNews.label	   "Messenger">

These could also be unchanged.

Comment 10

[[e-mail]]

Comment on attachment 135072 [details] [diff] [review]
New patch

>-<!ENTITY disableCookieForMailNews.label "Disable cookies in Mail &amp; Newsgroups">
>+<!ENTITY disableCookieForMailNews.label "Disable cookies in Messenger">
I'd prefer "Disable cookies in email and news messages" here.

>-<!ENTITY disableImageInMailNews.label       "Do not load remote images in Mail &amp; Newsgroup messages">
>+<!ENTITY disableImageInMailNews.label       "Do not load remote images in Messenger messages">
Again, I'd prefer "... email and news messages", or just "... mail and news
messages" if you prefer. I don't have a problem with enbJsCheckMailNews.label
or enbPluginCheckMailNews.label though.

Comment 11

[Daniel Wang]

>I'd prefer "Disable cookies in email and news messages" here.
nitty picky. I prefer "mail and news messages"

Comment 12

[Benedikt Kantus]

I downloaded mozilla-win32-installer.exe and noticed that the installer also
says Mail & Newsgroups instead of Messenger. This needs to be changed too.

Comment 13

[Mikael Parknert]

Attachment: patch

Removed en-GB & en-DE from this patch since they need 
cleaning.

Comment 14

[Mikael Parknert]

Attachment: One version of scripts & plugins

Comment 15

[Mikael Parknert]

Attachment: Second version of scripts and plugin

I prefer this (the patch does this)

Comment 16

[[e-mail]]

Comment on attachment 135547 [details] [diff] [review]
patch

Good catch on the plugin access key.

>-<!ENTITY enableMapi.label             "Use &vendorShortName; Mail as the default mail application">
>+<!ENTITY enableMapi.label             "Use Messenger as the default mail application">
Why did you remove the &vendorShortName; ?

Comment 17

[Mikael Parknert]

Attachment: patch

comment #16: I diffed wrong version oops
new one
comment?

Comment 18

[Daniel Wang]

Comment on attachment 135826 [details] [diff] [review]
patch

This is good stuff. Neil, any chance of getting this long overdue change in?

Comment 19

[jag (Peter Annema)]

Comment on attachment 135826 [details] [diff] [review]
patch

sr=jag

Comment 20

[Mikael Parknert]

Comment on attachment 135826 [details] [diff] [review]
patch

request a= for 1.6b. low risk, only textual changes (and one access-key) -
biggest problem is documentation out of sync

Comment 21

[Asa Dotzler [:asa]]

Comment on attachment 135826 [details] [diff] [review]
patch

a=asa (on behalf of drivers) for checkin to 1.6beta

Comment 22

[Mikael Parknert]

Need help with check-in!

Comment 23

[R.J. Keller]

Fix checked in. Daniel, do you have some time to update the Help documentation?
I'm not sure if I'll get to it or not.

BTW, I'd like documentation changes to go in a separate bug.

Comment 24

[Simon Paquet [:sipaq]]

Comment on attachment 135547 [details] [diff] [review]
patch

Patch is obsolete.

Comment 25

[Simon Paquet [:sipaq]]

Comment on attachment 135072 [details] [diff] [review]
New patch

Patch is obsolete.

Comment 26

[Simon Paquet [:sipaq]]

Comment on attachment 134345 [details] [diff] [review]
Proposed patch

Patch is obsolete.

Comment 27

[Scott MacGregor]

Where was the module owner approval on this branding change? I don't see any
input from David, Seth or myself here. 

Unfortunately this change is bogus and not correct. We do not brand ourselves as
Mozilla Messenger. That branding document is still under discussion and we have
no plans of using the messenger name. 

We need to back this out. I'll talk to Asa

Comment 28

[Jerome Lacoste]

Personally I find Messenger a name easy to confuse with Microsoft application.
Maybe it should have been different.

Comment 29

[[e-mail]]

Reopening based on comment 27.

Comment 30

[R.J. Keller]

The patch is checked in. Should I back it out since 1.6b is coming soon?

Comment 31

[R.J. Keller]

oh. nevermind. already backed out! sorry for the spam!

Comment 32

[Ben Bucksch (:BenB)]

I personally think that "Mail & Newsgroups" as *name* is confusing. It makes
help texts read "Mail & Newsgroups formats your message as ...", making it sound
(to me) as if the mail standard does it, while it's merely our application which
does it.

However, other vendors want to choose even different names than "Mail &
Newsgroups" or "Messenger", that's why this bug should be fixed by fixing bug 84851.

Comment 33

[Daniel Wang]

wontfix

The branding doc is way obsolete, and "messenger" is a confusing name. Let bug
84851 fix the issue about Mail & Newsgroups, Nesgroups, and Mail