324057 - Remove web-developers-* groups/lists

Status: RESOLVED FIXED

(mozilla.org Graveyard :: Server Operations, task, P1)

Description

[Deb Richardson [:dria] (plz NEEDINFO)]

The web-developers-* mailing lists/groups are ill-informed and should be removed before they attract any traffic.

Comment 1

[Dave Miller [:justdave]]

mozilla.web-developers.css has already gotten a fair bit of traffic.  The other three have yet to see a post other than "first post!" type stuff.

Where should I direct folks to?

Comment 2

[Deb Richardson [:dria] (plz NEEDINFO)]

(In reply to comment #1)
> mozilla.web-developers.css has already gotten a fair bit of traffic.  The other
> three have yet to see a post other than "first post!" type stuff.
> 
> Where should I direct folks to?

Shaver and I are planning on trying to figure that out on Monday. If mozilla.dev.tech.style is not appropriate for CSS discussion, then I'm not sure right now.

Comment 3

[Mike Shaver (:shaver emeritus)]

(In reply to comment #1)
> mozilla.web-developers.css has already gotten a fair bit of traffic.

I only see two posts in .css as of right now -- that's not a "fair bit of traffic".  What am I missing?

If nothing else, we should remove the rest _immediately_, and probably block posting on .css until Monday to keep the problem from getting worse.

Comment 4

[Dave Miller [:justdave]]

OK, I've requested of Giganews to rmgroup mozilla.web-developers.general, mozilla.web-developers.html, and mozilla.web-developers.scripting.

I've informed them we also intend to delete mozilla.web-developers.css, but asked that they hang onto it for now until we get a better place to send them since there's already active traffic there.

Comment 5

[Mike Shaver (:shaver emeritus)]

Can you ask them to block posting, to avoid getting more traffic there?  Manually reposting 2 posts is one thing, 50 is an entirely different thing.

Comment 6

[Deb Richardson [:dria] (plz NEEDINFO)]

We now have mozilla.dev.tech.css to replace mozilla.web-developers.css

Comment 7

[Deb Richardson [:dria] (plz NEEDINFO)]

mozilla.web-developers.css still exists and is up to 51 messages now.  Given that it's now the orphan m.web-developer.* group, could we please redirect those folks to the new mozilla.dev.tech.css group?

Comment 8

[Dave Miller [:justdave]]

I just posted a message to mozilla.web-developers.css informing them that the group would be deleted on Friday and asking them to redirect their traffic to mozilla.dev.tech.css.

Comment 9

[Boris Zbarsky [:bzbarsky]]

So how do mozilla.dev.tech.style and mozilla.dev.tech.css differ?  Just trying to figure out which posts should go where...

Comment 10

[Daniel Veditz [:dveditz]]

m.d.tech.style is being merged into m.d.t.css -- bug 326990

Comment 11

[Dave Miller [:justdave]]

Deb or Shaver or Gerv: there's a followup to the shutdown announcement on mozilla.dev.mozilla-org which I don't have a good answer to other than refering to this bug.  Would one of you be interested in replying to it?

Comment 12

[Gervase Markham [:gerv]]

justdave: I replied to the follow-up message in the newsgroup.

Gerv

Comment 13

[Dave Miller [:justdave]]

Ticket opened on March 16th with Giganews to have it removed on March 17th.  Received reply on March 17th indicated it had been forwarded to the sysadmin, but it came from a different person than usually handles our stuff.  The group is still there.  I just sent a followup to request status, and CCed our usual contact directly.

Comment 14

[fantasai]

Dave -- Why are web developers being directed to Mozilla development channels? Hasn't one of the major ideas behind the newsgroup reorganization been to give them their own groups so they don't post their how-to questions in Gecko development forums?

Comment 15

[Dave Miller [:justdave]]

(In reply to comment #14)
> Dave -- Why are web developers being directed to Mozilla development channels?

That's a Deb/Shaver/Gerv question.  I'm just following orders. ;)

Comment 16

[Dave Miller [:justdave]]

Giganews says the rmgroup has been pushed.  It will probably take a couple hours to get picked up by the user-facing servers.

Comment 17

[Dave Miller [:justdave]]

(In reply to comment #16)
> Giganews says the rmgroup has been pushed.  It will probably take a couple
> hours to get picked up by the user-facing servers.

it's live.  took 16 hours after they pushed it for some reason, but it made it finally.  I still have to nuke the mailing list.

Comment 18

[Gervase Markham [:gerv]]

fantasai: to answer your question, it seems that the thinking has changed, and that all the questions on a topic should go in the same group. The rationale is that this is the way that users become developers...

Both choices have their pros and cons (along with proponents and detractors). But right now, I'm focussing on the massive improvements in project communication, as seen in mozilla.dev.apps.firefox, for example. And if complaints arrive, I'll worry about them then :-)

Gerv

Comment 19

[Dave Miller [:justdave]]

Done.

Comment 20

[Dave Miller [:justdave]]

These are now "gone" from Google Groups as well.
http://groups.google.com/group/mozilla.web-developers.css

This is what they should have done from the begining with all of our groups. :)