It has been suggested that the following newsgroups be closed and discussion be merged into other groups. Existing Group Discussion Moves To -------------- ------------------- tech.style -> tech.css tech.widget -> platform tech.xslt -> tech.xml tech.xpinstall -> platform This is to try and avoid fragmenting communities. This bug tracks that work, but it should NOT be performed until denizens of those groups have had a chance to comment. I will post the bug number in each to allow them to do so.
i'd like to object to the xpinstall one. at least tentatively.
(In reply to comment #0) > It has been suggested that the following newsgroups be closed and discussion be > merged into other groups. > > Existing Group Discussion Moves To > tech.xslt -> tech.xml Why do you want to keep tech.xforms and tech.svg but merge tech.xslt with the generic tech.xml? XSLT is an application of XML, much like XForms is and SVG is. If XForms deserves its own group then I think XSLT does so too.
XPInstall maybe almost invisible by now, but it's still there and shouldn't be drowned in very unrelated stuff. -> DONTMERGE ;-) I don't mind the rest.
It doesn't matter whether it's a "separate technology"... unifying discussion is to be preferred in general unless the volume of discussion on a particular topic is so great that it would annoy/overwhelm discussion on other topics. In this case history shows that the volume of discussion on XSLT or XPInstall is not large enough to warrant a segregated discussion.
Further, while XForms and SVG are applications of XML, XSLT can be used with _any_ XML dialect or vocabulary, making it of interest to many who are working with XML in the general case.
(In reply to comment #5) > XSLT can be used with > _any_ XML dialect or vocabulary, making it of interest to many who are working > with XML in the general case. XForms too can be used with any XML dialect or vocubalary, you can edit any XML (dialect or vocabulary) by making it the instance data. I think it is easier to follow and focus on issues related to XSLT if there is an own group for XSLT.
Regarding mozilla.dev.tech.xslt: it might be too specific but on the other hand most discussions have been focussed, which I always saw as a plus.
I'm ok with merging tech.xslt into tech.xml. Both groups are very low traffic and i'm worried that they're going to die compleatly unless the traffic goes up a bit.
timeless: you'll need to be more specific than "at least tentatively". karsten: why do you think that discussing "xpinstall" stuff in "platform" would make it disappear more? If they were separate, would you subscribe to xpinstall but not to platform? Gerv
> why do you think that discussing "xpinstall" stuff in "platform" would > make it disappear more? It's likely to drown among the other traffic. npm.xpinstall was very focused, despite the very low traffic. > If they were separate, would you subscribe to xpinstall but not to platform? Yes, kind of. I do not usually read all groups I'm subsribed to, only those that I'm highly interested in (like .xpinstall); I keep a lot of groups for occasional and infrequent reading only (like .platform).
I'm all for the style and widget merge.
We need to resolve this before things get entrenched. server-ops team: can you please close the tech.style, tech.widget and tech.xslt groups, with notices saying where discussion has moved to? After a week or so, they can be deleted. As some people want to keep .xpinstall, we'll do that. Gerv
I'm not sure closing .xslt was agreed on. So far there is one vote for (me) and one against (peterv)
Well, I bought Shaver's logical argument in comment #5. <shrug> OK, leave .xslt where it is for now, unless further views emerge on one side or the other. Let's just get the uncontroversial ones done. Gerv
(In reply to comment #12) > server-ops team: can you please close the tech.style, tech.widget and tech.xslt > groups, with notices saying where discussion has moved to? After a week or so, > they can be deleted. Where are those discussions moving to?
justdave: it says in comment #0 :-) Gerv
OK, message posted. Move date set for Wednesday March 22.
I didn't even know dev-tech-css existed; it's not on http://www.mozilla.org/community/developer-forums.html , and it doesn't parallel any preexisting lists. I wonder whether it would be better to merge both into dev-tech-layout; I never understood pierre's argument for wanting it separate, although I suppose the -css name might give people who don't know what they're looking for more of a clue than either -style or -layout. So I suppose the current plan is OK.
Shouldn't http://www.mozilla.org/community/developer-forums.html have a link to lists.mozilla.org? It references mail.mozilla.org, but isn't that the place where the old mailing lists live, or maybe just the ones that are no mirrors of the newsgroups?
(In reply to comment #19) > Shouldn't http://www.mozilla.org/community/developer-forums.html have a link to > lists.mozilla.org? It references mail.mozilla.org, but isn't that the place > where the old mailing lists live, or maybe just the ones that are no mirrors of > the newsgroups? Yeah, that's correct. mail.mozilla.org no longer contains lists that are mirrored to newsgroups, those are all on https://lists.mozilla.org/ now.
dbaron -- by that logic, we should be deleting .layout in favor of .css (IMO we should be doing the opposite.)
Dave, your post in .xpinstall reads "It was decided on the above bug that mozilla.tech.xslt will not be closed, but the rest of the above list will be carried out on Wednesday, March 22." What about Gervs comment #12? > As some people want to keep .xpinstall, we'll do that.
(In reply to comment #22) > What about Gervs comment #12? Hmm, good point. Good thing I'm behind and haven't actually done it yet. It'd be nice if people could do a summary of the desired action on the bug again when they reassign it to me ;)
Summary: close tech.style and tech.widget. Gerv
ticket opened with Giganews
(In reply to comment #25) > ticket opened with Giganews Giganews says these two groups will go away on Monday.
(In reply to comment #26) > Giganews says these two groups will go away on Monday. And they're gone. I'm still working on moving subscriptions, will close this when that's done.
OK, the remaining mailing lists are gone finally.