329010 - Oracle Jinitiator does not work...

Status: RESOLVED INCOMPLETE

(Firefox :: General, defect)

Description

[Scorpion]

User-Agent:       Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.8.0.1) Gecko/20060111 Firefox/1.5.0.1
Build Identifier: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.8.0.1) Gecko/20060111 Firefox/1.5.0.1

To run Oracle Apps on a browser, we need it to be compatible with the Jinitiator plugin. I am not able to run my Oracle apps. I have Jinitiator installed and it does not work with firefox! It works fine with IE. I want it to work with Firefox.

Reproducible: Always

Steps to Reproduce:
1.You need access to Oracle apps
2.Login and select a responsibility assigned to the user you logged in as.
3.Click on one of the links.
4.It says "Missing Plugin"!

Actual Results:  
Just says missing plugin and when I try to search for a plugin, it says no plugin found.

Expected Results:  
Another window should've opened with the title "Oracle Applications 11i" and then another window with actuall access to the Apps.

This is a major feature required for all the Oracle users. You will not be able to get them to join the Firefox community. And the Oracle community is very big. So you do want them to start using Firefox.

Comment 1

[Scorpion]

*** This bug has been marked as a duplicate of 311908 ***

Comment 2

[Christian :Biesinger (don't email me, ping me on IRC)]

not a duplicate.

Comment 3

[Boris Zbarsky [:bzbarsky]]

Can you attach the HTML of the page that should be showing the plug-in using https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/attachment.cgi?bugid=329010&action=enter please?

Comment 4

[Scorpion]

Attachment: html code

html code of the page that shows up

Comment 5

[Scorpion]

Attachment: View of initial request for plugin install...

Comment 6

[Scorpion]

Attachment: Screenshot after I try to install the plugin

Comment 7

[Ian Neal]

What version of oracle apps / jinitiator are you using? I might be able to test this tomorrow.

Comment 8

[Boris Zbarsky [:bzbarsky]]

Hmm... The attached HTML doesn't reference any plug-ins...  Probably hiding somewhere in the scripts, etc.  :(

Comment 9

[Scorpion]

I'll give the details of Apps and Jinitiator tomorrow from office.

Comment 10

[Scorpion]

The Apps version is-
Oracle Applications : 11.5.10.2
Jinitiator version is-
Oracle Jinitiator 1.3.1.18

Default Virtual Machine version - 1.3.1_04-b02
Java 2 Runtime Environment, Standard Edition 1.3.1.18-internal

Let me know if you need further details...

Comment 11

[Scorpion]

i have attached the wrapped code of the page. see if its useful...

Comment 12

[Scorpion]

Attachment: html code

Comment 13

[Ian Neal]

I've tried two things:
a) Firefox 1.5.0.1 with no JInitiator installed
b) Firefox 1.5.0.1 with JInitiator 1.3.1.25 installed

For a)
Clicking on a link that should pop up a window prompting me to download the plugin from the relevant Oracle Apps tier does not happen
For b)
Clicking on a link does fire up the relevant Java window within Oracle Apps

Couple of questions:
1/ Did you install Firefox from an .exe or was it a zip from a branch?
2/ If you look in the plugins folder is there a NPJinit13118.dll file?

Comment 14

[Ian Neal]

Also make sure you have read metalink note: 285218.1

Comment 15

[Scorpion]

I don't remember if I installed from an exe or zip file.
AS for the dll file, no, its not there in the plugins folder. the dll files in there are npnul32 and npswf32.
i am looking into the metalink document now.

(In reply to comment #13)
> Couple of questions:
> 1/ Did you install Firefox from an .exe or was it a zip from a branch?
> 2/ If you look in the plugins folder is there a NPJinit13118.dll file?
> 

Comment 16

[Ian Neal]

The fact there is no .dll file for JInitiator suggests it was a zip. The JInitiator install probably looks for registry entries which only the .exe adds to know it has to install the .dll into the Firefox plugins directory, so the .dll has to be manually copied from the JInitiator bin directory in Program Files into the plugins directory.
Now it could be argued that Firefox should check for the relevant registry entries when starting up and add them if they're not there, but that is probably another bug.

Comment 17

[Scorpion]

I installed 1.3.1.25.
but still the problem persists. installing this version of jinitiator has put that dll you mentioned in the plugins directory of mozilla automatically. but still it isnt working... i tried disabling java as suggested in the metalink article but even that didnt work! i uninstalled the earlier version of jinitiator too but it was of no use. IE doesnt recognise this new version of jinitiator either now! its asking to install the 1.3.1.18 version.
what do i do?

Comment 18

[Ian Neal]

If your Oracle Apps are configured for 1.3.1.18 then use that not 1.3.1.25, 1.3.1.25 is just version my Oracle Apps use. So make sure you un-install 1.3.1.25 and install 1.3.1.18 then check which .dll is in Firefox's plugins directory.

Comment 19

[Scorpion]

ok. i installed 1.18 again. and it is sans the dll that u asked for...

Comment 20

[Scorpion]

i see that uninstalling 1.25 hasnt removed that dll from the plugins directory but it still isnt working...

Comment 21

[Scorpion]

ok. when i disable java and try now it works. but i have to disable java everytime to access apps...
this isnt a solution but just a compromise.
who is the authorised person who can make this an official bug?
apps works fine with IE. so whats the problem here? why is it unable to detect the right one between java and jinitiator?
do i even need to keep java enabled for the rest of the sites?

Comment 22

[Scorpion]

i mean, wouldn't javascript be enough?

Comment 23

[Scorpion]

Attachment: view of apps window

Comment 24

[Scorpion]

when i load apps, this is what i see. should i still click the manual download link and install the jinitiator that it is pointing to?

Comment 25

[Ian Neal]

(In reply to comment #24)
> when i load apps, this is what i see. should i still click the manual download
> link and install the jinitiator that it is pointing to?
> 
No, you don't click on that link. From looking at your task bar, it looks like it has already opened a java window with apps in for you.

Comment 26

[monokius]

(In reply to comment #21)
> ok. when i disable java and try now it works. but i have to disable java
> everytime to access apps...
> this isnt a solution but just a compromise.
> who is the authorised person who can make this an official bug?
> apps works fine with IE. so whats the problem here? why is it unable to detect
> the right one between java and jinitiator?

Yes,whats the problem here? I have this problem too!(In reply to comment #25)

> (In reply to comment #24)
> > when i load apps, this is what i see. should i still click the manual download
> > link and install the jinitiator that it is pointing to?
> > 
> No, you don't click on that link. From looking at your task bar, it looks like
> it has already opened a java window with apps in for you.
> 

If java enabled in firefox than for a first  Oracle JInitiator icon will be appeared... You will see loading of applet, but after some time Sun JRE icon will be appeared and firefox crash after it.

Comment 27

[Ian Neal]

The JInitiator plugin only deals with:
application/x-jinit-applet
application/x-jinit-bean

The Sun Java plugin deals with:
application/x-java-applet
application/x-java-bean

So as long as the code only tries to use the x-jinit-* types it should not matter whether the sun java is enabled.

In reference to comment#25 looking at the list of open windows, there is a jinitiator application window open - shows as "Oracle App..."

Comment 28

[Scorpion]

just use IE tabs extension and switch to IE rendering when you want to access apps.

Comment 29

[Ian Neal]

(In reply to comment #28)
> just use IE tabs extension and switch to IE rendering when you want to access
> apps.
> 
That is no solution. Firefox does work with Oracle Apps as I have used both 1.0.x and 1.5.0.x releases without a problem. I also test on both trunk and 1.8 branch in Firefox and SeaMonkey but have not come across this issue.

Comment 30

[Scorpion]

ok. well, not all people are familiar with the techincal jargon that you mentioned. for us common people, it is better to have a tool that solves the issue than to try to get into configuring something that we are not familiar with and might end up messing it up vey badly...


if you can give us the walk through on how to get it to work normally, we also can follow you.
otherwise we will just have to use the IE tabs extension...

(In reply to comment #27)
> The JInitiator plugin only deals with:
> application/x-jinit-applet
> application/x-jinit-bean
> 
> The Sun Java plugin deals with:
> application/x-java-applet
> application/x-java-bean
> 
> So as long as the code only tries to use the x-jinit-* types it should not
> matter whether the sun java is enabled.
> 
> In reference to comment#25 looking at the list of open windows, there is a
> jinitiator application window open - shows as "Oracle App..."
> 

Comment 31

[Stef]

Hi, 
though I am wondering how I got here ;-) , I must put stress on the point, that Oracles Jinitiator 1.3xx and one of the Sun JVMs must be run parallel (better sequential) within the Firefoxbrowsers (1.07/1.504) of our company.

That means: We are very interested in a solution which is similar to the "netscape" behavior some years ago, in which Oracles Jinitiator was started (as a separate JVM) by a config-file whenever needed and starting a different URL using another JVM worked without problems. 

What I figured out so far is, that the Jinitiator works and can start an Oracle Applet. (Firef.1.504 Sun 1.5)
But, if you try to start another Applet which is not "understanding" the Jinitiator dialect thereafter, the browser hangs an says something like "JVM Violation" because it stills tries to use the Jinitiator instead of the SunJVM.

Couldn't find anything about that at the Oracle support sites
Hope you can give me a hint.
Thanks & Greetings

Comment 33

[(mostly gone) XtC4UaLL [:xtc4uall]]

Is this still an Issue using the latest Versions of the involved Applications?

Comment 34

[Tyler Downer [He/Him]]

No reply, INCOMPLETE. Please retest with Firefox 3.6.x or later and a new profile (http://support.mozilla.com/kb/Managing+profiles). If you continue to see this issue with the newest firefox and a new profile, then please comment on this bug.