remove link from throbber

VERIFIED FIXED in Firefox 2 beta1

Status

()

defect
VERIFIED FIXED
13 years ago
12 years ago

People

(Reporter: Pike, Assigned: Pike)

Tracking

({fixed1.8.1})

2.0 Branch
Firefox 2 beta1
Points:
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Bug Flags:
blocking-firefox2 +

Firefox Tracking Flags

(Not tracked)

Details

Attachments

(3 attachments, 3 obsolete attachments)

(Assignee)

Description

13 years ago
As discussed on mda.firefox, it's a good idea to remove the link function of the
throbber. It's leftover, it's undiscoverable, and we don't have a really good use
for it.
(Assignee)

Comment 1

13 years ago
Taking.

I'm a bit reluctant to remove goClickThrobber, too, as I don't know if any
extensions might (ab-)use it,
http://lxr.mozilla.org/mozilla1.8/search?string=goClickThrobber shows that
inside browser, there is only one use.
Assignee: nobody → l10n
As mentioned elsewhere, unless someone can provide me with a *really good reason* to keep this function, I say we toss it. No other major browser seems to do this anymore either.
The CCK allows you to change the throbber image and have it link to another page...not sure how useful that is - I just did it to copy from Netscape.
I think the possibility to do it it should be kept (even if there is no link set in the default build). Companies who would want to deliver their own firefox based browser with their machines (like a custom wallmart/Carrefour branded browser included with all the computers they sell under their own name) would probably want the throbber icon to be their company logo and use it as a link to the company's site or online shopping center.
I'm going to agree with comment #4.

IIRC Speakeasy, or some other ISP who has an extension to customize firefox redirects it to their website.  I think we may want to ensure we don't break or hinder such efforts.

As far as turning it off for normal Firefox 2.0 users?  I don't see a problem with that.  I doubt anyone really lcicks it on purpose.
(In reply to comment #4)
> I think the possibility to do it it should be kept (even if there is no link
> set in the default build). Companies who would want to deliver their own
> firefox based browser with their machines (like a custom wallmart/Carrefour
> branded browser included with all the computers they sell under their own name)
> would probably want the throbber icon to be their company logo and use it as a
> link to the company's site or online shopping center.

I severely disagree. Changing the default URL for the home button and just having a different image for the throbber is the sensible thing to do here. 

As someone said in a reply to Axel blogpost, this is a functionality that can be easily reclaimed by a simple extension.
(In reply to comment #6)
> I severely disagree. Changing the default URL for the home button and just
> having a different image for the throbber is the sensible thing to do here. 

You have missed the point.

The throbber going to a URL is a permanent change to the browser. The home URL can be changed.

This is very useful.

The throbber for IBM is the IBM w3 logo and clicking it always goes to w3.

I can't rely on the home button.

Comment 8

13 years ago
I might be way off, but does this has anything to do with bug 309371 ?
(Assignee)

Comment 9

13 years ago
A bit detail on the patch:

I'm going to keep the throbber as button, for two reasons:
- it would be a pretty drastic themeing change
- you can reanimate the throbber by an extension

Note, this is related to bug 245947, in that it's not possible to actually give
the throbber tooltip a good value. Doing that via a localizable pref seems like
overarchitecturing it, as an extension to make the throbber link to something
could set the tooltip to something reasonable as it goes.

This bug is not really related to bug 309371, that is really just about
getting the values for all occurences, one of which I intend to remove in 
another bug, in the case of Thunderbird.

Comment 10

13 years ago
I use it for an alternate home page. Since SeaMonkey doesn't have a home button in its two standard themes, I'm used to hitting it when I want home, and forget to even try the FF home button.
(Assignee)

Comment 11

13 years ago
This removes the pref and the link from browser.
(Thunderbird has this pref, but it really uses messenger.throbber.url, so this
one can die already, together with the 1.0.x update url.)
Attachment #216343 - Flags: ui-review?
(Assignee)

Updated

13 years ago
Attachment #216343 - Flags: ui-review? → ui-review?(beltzner)
Axel, out of curiousity, what's the advantage of totally removing this potential function vs. making it so that if no preference is set (which would be the default) the button does nothing, yet allows people to extend it as per comment 4 and others here?
(Assignee)

Comment 13

13 years ago
One problem with the existing throbber is the hardcoded tooltip. If you set the
URL to something of your choice, the tooltip still talks about going to the 
firefox homepage.

I attached a proof-of-concept extension that re-enables the throbber link on my
patched build while setting the tooltip to "Phone Home!". Both to show that it's
a simple thing to do, that it works, and that folks can actually just do it by
taking my sample, setting the tooltip and url in the overlay.xul and be done.

Not doing the pref dance is more of a feature to me ;-)
Comment on attachment 216343 [details] [diff] [review]
unlink the throbber, remove the pref

Convinced by comment 13.
Attachment #216343 - Flags: ui-review?(beltzner) → ui-review+
(Assignee)

Updated

13 years ago
Attachment #216343 - Flags: review?(bugs)
Comment on attachment 216343 [details] [diff] [review]
unlink the throbber, remove the pref

I would say this doesn't go far enough. Can we remove the code that handles clicking on the throbber too, then?
Attachment #216343 - Flags: review?(bugs) → review-
(In reply to comment #15)
> (From update of attachment 216343 [details] [diff] [review] [edit])
> I would say this doesn't go far enough. Can we remove the code that handles
> clicking on the throbber too, then?
> 

Please leave that code in here. I really want an extension to be able to override this easily.

This is a great way for companies to customize firefox and have a way to return to a "home page" even if the user has changed their home page.
(Assignee)

Comment 17

13 years ago
I left that funcion in there for exactly that purpose. I just wonder, do
companies really want to use a pref for this, or would they just enter the
URL directly? Like I did in my example extension.
I don't know if companies do it directly, but I do it in my CCK and I'd like the function in my CCK to be as straightforward as possible.

Today I do it with a XUL overlay for the tooltip, browser.throbber.url pref change to point to the new value in my properties file and a CSS overlay to change the image of the throbber (if someone wants to do that)
(Assignee)

Comment 19

13 years ago
Ben, could you revisit this? Do comments 16-18 help?

Comment 20

13 years ago
Comment on attachment 216343 [details] [diff] [review]
unlink the throbber, remove the pref

This leaves the throbber visually clickable and just removes the action which might confuse those who didn't expect it to react to clicks (it behaves like a button) and also those who expect it to do so (it doesn't do anything). Why not set it disabled="true" additionally or instead?
Flags: blocking-firefox2?
Target Milestone: Firefox 2 alpha2 → Firefox 2 beta1
Flags: blocking-firefox2? → blocking-firefox2+
(Assignee)

Comment 21

13 years ago
Posted patch disable the button (obsolete) — Splinter Review
I disabled the button, too. I didn't do the code removal, as mkaply would like
to keep it. Enabling the button via the overlay works without problems, so I added
that.
Attachment #216343 - Attachment is obsolete: true
Attachment #223770 - Flags: review?
(Assignee)

Updated

13 years ago
Attachment #223770 - Flags: review? → review?(bugs)
(Assignee)

Updated

13 years ago
Whiteboard: needs-review [swag:0d]
(Assignee)

Updated

13 years ago
Whiteboard: needs-review [swag:0d] → [patch-r?]
(Assignee)

Comment 22

13 years ago
Posted patch full diff, with l10n (obsolete) — Splinter Review
I had too many patches in my tree, apparently, patch make is my friend now.
Complete diff, with removal of prefs and l10n string, and disabled button.
Attachment #223770 - Attachment is obsolete: true
Attachment #224416 - Flags: review?(bugs)
Attachment #223770 - Flags: review?(bugs)
Comment on attachment 224416 [details] [diff] [review]
full diff, with l10n

Ben's right, we should kill it all the way.  The CCK can easily add its own function just like it can add its own oncommand handler/tooltip/image.  Please remove goClickThrobber and throbber.tooltip and be done with it.
Attachment #224416 - Flags: review?(bugs) → review-
(Assignee)

Comment 24

13 years ago
That's the vote on goClickThrobber, then.
Attachment #224416 - Attachment is obsolete: true
Attachment #225268 - Flags: review?
(Assignee)

Updated

13 years ago
Attachment #225268 - Flags: review? → review?(mconnor)
Comment on attachment 225268 [details] [diff] [review]
remove goClickThrobber, too.

r+a=me if you can remove the tooltip string as well from http://lxr.mozilla.org/mozilla/source/browser/locales/en-US/chrome/browser/browser.dtd#96
Attachment #225268 - Flags: review?(mconnor)
Attachment #225268 - Flags: review+
Attachment #225268 - Flags: approval-branch-1.8.1+
(Assignee)

Comment 26

13 years ago
Checked in with mconnor's fix, gonna add a full patch for reference.
Status: NEW → RESOLVED
Last Resolved: 13 years ago
Keywords: fixed1.8.1
Resolution: --- → FIXED
Whiteboard: [patch-r?]
(Assignee)

Comment 27

13 years ago
For reference, I'm giving a whitecard a=l10n@mozilla.com for removing the throbber
line from region.properties.
(Assignee)

Comment 28

13 years ago

Comment 29

13 years ago
Ok, I usually don't chime in on bugs that have been closed/fixed, but this is absolutely ridiculous.  For 7-8+ years I have been clicking on that damned throbber to either get me to the homepage of the app I'm running, whether it was Navigator, Communicator, Mozilla Suite, Phoenix, Firebird, Firefox, Seabird, Thunderbird, blah blah.

And now because IE and Opera don't mimic this and because we obviously have no better use of programmers time we are removing it?  This is just absurd.  First it was the Check Mail and Compose Email links which were removed, thus changing the user experience, which I was kind of ok with, now I have to code an extension to replace functionality that I and tons of other users have relied on for years, this sucks.

It would have been better time spent to just check if the pref has a user value, if it did then give it a tooltip of the url.

Who is actually voting of these kinds of decisions?  Minor changes to browser functionality like this is getting to be incredibly annoying, just my 5 cents.

I think DOM Inspector is probably on the chopping block from being distributed with the installer, which again I don't mind since it's really already an extension, but the Throbber common man!!

While we are at it, let remove the following because they have nothing to do with Web Browsing and are fluff for most users:
- Sidebar
- Talkback
- Report Broken Link Web Site
- Error Console

oh yeah just move Import to the Options panel, it's so seldomly used why waste the menu space in the File menu.

Comment 31

13 years ago
I'd vote for keeping it.  It provides an easy link back to the Mozilla site, which (as we know) includes forums, news, and other Mozilla products, not to mention a lot of other stuff.

OTOH, If people want it gone, why not create an extension that gets rid of it automatically?  If you want it gone, it's not too hard to download an extension and restart the browser, is it?

If companies want their logo there, or a link to their website, why not do it that way?  There could be differences between Firefox: WallMart Edition and "real" Firefox, right?

If someone wants to search for extensions, browser updates, or new products, it's a LOT easier to "click on the little circle" rather than type in the URL.

What happened to "one click internet" anyway?

Comment 32

13 years ago
I'm tired of trying to fight for features, this one was small but had a lot of meaning from a historical stand point and I used it tons of times every day.

I kind of like the fact that no other browser had this feature, so I've already added functionality to my Local Install extension to enable/disable as well as to allow setting of the url.  It will read the url from all the current permutations available and allow you to keep or change it. The next release will include this update.

Comment 33

13 years ago
There is an extension to bring back the throbber link in Firefox 2 and later:
Throbber Button - https://addons.mozilla.org/firefox/2821/
*** Bug 358002 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. ***
Verified FIXED using today's trunk Minefield on:

Mac OS X 10.4
Fedora Core 7
Windows Vista.
Status: RESOLVED → VERIFIED
Flags: in-litmus?
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