348114 - he Search Feature Tracking for Firefox 2

Status: RESOLVED FIXED

(Mozilla Localizations :: he / Hebrew, defect)

Description

[chris hofmann]

tracking bug to make sure we get things on the list below working correctly for
each locale:

Full Default Search partner list/order.
primary/secondary search selection behavior
Search codes.
Search Suggests enable/disable for locales where available or not

Comment 1

[Tsahi Asher]

tomer, are you taking care of this for 2.0?

Comment 2

[Axel Hecht [:Pike]]

Could you please work on migrating the hebrew plugins over to MozSearch ASAP?
For those plugins that you just pull from en-US, you can just cvs remove the Sherlock plugins and their images. For walla_sites and wikipedia-he, please create new files, http://developer.mozilla.org/en/docs/Creating_MozSearch_plugins has more, and you can peek at your fellow localizers' stuff.

For the hebrew plugins, we'd like to get contact information and Mic would need to get a copy of an email of the service agreeing to be included in Firefox 2. We got some complaints in some locales and just want to be on the safe side with the growing popularity of Firefox.

Comment 3

[Mic Berman]

Shalom,
can you please confirm what is the curent list of plug-ins for Hebrew, here's what I have: Google, Yahoo, Amazon, Wikipedia, Walla sites
For the Walla sites, I just need a contact (name and email address) and some kind of indication they are OK with us pointing the their search engine.
Thanks! (toda)
Michal

Comment 4

[Tsahi Asher]

i sent a message to walla, so i hope they will reply soon. on the other hand, there are lot's of evangelism problems with walla, so i'm not sure we want them. i started a discussion on our mailing list, i we will reach a desicion in a few days.

Comment 5

[Tsahi Asher]

can you remind me what are the criteria for a search plug in, regarding the site that operates it?

Comment 6

[Axel Hecht [:Pike]]

I just had a look at walla.co.il, and it welcomed me with a audio message in an add, telling me to click something.

I tried to find out if there were bugs on why and what we added it for, to no avail. (Better check-in messages with bug references to the search engines would have helped here, btw.)

If this is about removing walla or not, I would think we can make a case here either way. Though I could use some information on what walla actually provides, could well be that searching there is less invasive from a user-experience point of view.

Comment 7

[Tsahi Asher]

(In reply to comment #6)
> I just had a look at walla.co.il, and it welcomed me with a audio message in an
> add, telling me to click something.

yes, the half-a-screen-banner-isis is spreading in many israeli site recently.

> 
> I tried to find out if there were bugs on why and what we added it for, to no
> avail. (Better check-in messages with bug references to the search engines
> would have helped here, btw.)
> 
i don't think we recorded this in bugzilla. we just thought it will be usefull because it's a popular site (the most popular except google) so we added it.

> If this is about removing walla or not, I would think we can make a case here
> either way. Though I could use some information on what walla actually
> provides, could well be that searching there is less invasive from a
> user-experience point of view.
> 
it's not about removing or walla or not, but since i was asked to get approval from them, i contemplated if i want them at all.

walla.co.il is a general content site, with news in many areas, forums, chat rooms, site index, site search (using overture i believe) and anything else you could think of. shopping too. the search is at find.walla.co.il.

Comment 8

[Axel Hecht [:Pike]]

Conceptually, it sounds like something worthwhile.

I haven't been able to get a product specification for search recently, but I'd personally recommend a "bouquet", nothing that smells bad, some pretty flours, some greens.

Comment 9

[Axel Hecht [:Pike]]

The hebrew localization has still a bunch of translation work to catch up on, thus I'm cutting the dependency on the 2.0 search tracking bug 347914, we'll pick this one up as part of 352166, once the hebrew localization is ready for release.

Comment 10

[Tsahi Asher]

hi michal,
how should we send the confirmations? i asked walla about 10 days ago but didn't get a reply. we did get confirmation from netex.co.il, for which many of our users requested an add on, and morfix (an english-hebrew dictionary, http://milon.morfix.co.il/) had an auto reply that she's on vacation until the 25th.

we think we would like, aside from google/yahoo/amazon (i understand mozilla has agreements with those), he.wikipedia, netex, morfix, and hopefully walla. how does that sound?

Comment 11

[Tomer Cohen :tomer]

Attachment: Netex OpenSearch plugin

Attached netex.co.il approved OpenSearch plugin. Been tested and approved by Netex people. 

As for Wikipedia-HE, the OpenSearch plugin available on the site - http://he.wikipedia.org/w/opensearch_desc.php

Comment 12

[Mic Berman]

re comment #10 
Shalom Tsahi,
Netex is fine - please forward me the email from them including contact information (I can read Hebrew so natural language is fine)
We have an understanding with Wikipedia so he.wikipedia is fine
The other are also fine but I'd like some additional information when you get it 
*Morfix - when she's back forward me her approval and contact information
*Walla - was in 1.5 so it's also fine, however please see if you can find someone there to talk to about their experience with us thus far.

Note to all: this should not be blocking from a Business Development perspective

Thanks
Michal (Mic)

Comment 13

[Tomer Cohen :tomer]

(In reply to comment #12)

Mic: I've sent you the approval of netex.co.il by mail. As for Morfix and Walla, we can't get any response from them in the upcoming days due to the weekend and holiday. 

Comment 14

[Mic Berman]

i have received netex, so BD is good to go for Netex
thanks
mic

Comment 15

[Axel Hecht [:Pike]]

Looking at my page at http://people.mozilla.com/~axel/status-1.8/, that status of morfix and nana seems to be open still.

Please attach a patch to change the plugins to use the MozSearch namespace, we decided to not ship OpenSearch ones.

Note, changes to search plugins should get individual review and approval, independent of other tree rules.

Comment 16

[Tomer Cohen :tomer]

Attachment: nana.co.il MozSearch plugin

I'm attaching the whole set of plugins as MozSearch instead of OpenSearch.

Comment 17

[Tomer Cohen :tomer]

Attachment: Netex MozSearch plugin

Comment 18

[Tomer Cohen :tomer]

Attachment: Hebrew Wikipedia MozSearch Plugin

Comment 19

[Tomer Cohen :tomer]

Attachment: Milon Morfix MozSearch Plugin

Comment 20

[Axel Hecht [:Pike]]

Mic, that'd be 

  1 google
  2 yahoo
  3 netex
  4 nana
  5 wikipedia-he
  6 morfix-dic

with Google and Yahoo as 1 and 2.

Comment 21

[Mic Berman]

Hi everyone,
On Nana - we need permission from Nana to include them. 
I checked out nana vs netex and i'm not certain what the difference is? can you confirm that nana is a listings site? i'm trying to understand the rationale for including them.
Morfix - I can understand the value here for the dictionary - I don't beleive we've recevied permission or acknowledgement from them. Can you confirm this?
Thanks
michal

Comment 22

[Tsahi Asher]

mic, i sent you the morfix/melingo approval on october 4th. i sent it again now in case you lost it or something.

nana index is a site index, kind of like dmoz.org. i'm pretty certain we sent you an approval for them, but tomer will be able to check that later today, i hope.
netex works along the lines of google's "i'm feeling lucky" feature. they should be directing you right to the most probable site you were looking for. they have a plugin for IE that sits in the system tray and captures what you enter in the IE address bar, but in firefox it can work out of the search bar. anyway, many of our users want this.

Comment 23

[Mic Berman]

Hi
you are right, I double checked as well and I do have Morfix, so for them BD is good to go and it makes sense to include them from a user perspective as well.
thanks
mic

Comment 24

[Mic Berman]

Hi
I don't have anything for Nana from them to approve us including them. I checked my email records again (of course, I may have missed something). 
Also, can you clarify for me the rationale for including them by elaborating a bit more on why the users are after this?
thanks
mic

Comment 25

[Tomer Cohen :tomer]

Both Nana and Netex use Google as fail-over when they do not have relevant results. As Tsahi said, Netex is GoogleFellingLucky-style search engine, which is included due to its people demand and their Software which require Windows and Internet Explorer. As for Nana, they have one of the biggest indexes for Israeli sites, which other sites such as ynet (the Israeli biggest newspaper) use as a backend. 

Mic - I have sent you the approval of Netex at September 22th, and again today; Check your inbox please. Nana approval will be sent as I find that approval or request from them again.

Comment 26

[Tomer Cohen :tomer]

Mic - Your inbox should contain both Netex and Nana approvals. 

Comment 27

[Mic Berman]

Hi
BD has Netex, Nana and Morfix approvals, thanks.
Tomer - can you clarify this point about Netex: "which
is included due to its people demand and their Software which require Windows
and Internet Explorer. " I don't understand what you're saying. Are you saying that the Israeli community wants Netex as part of their Firefox experience? what do you mean about the s/w requiring Windows and IE?
Thanks
mic

Comment 28

[Tsahi Asher]

(In reply to comment #27)
> Hi
> BD has Netex, Nana and Morfix approvals, thanks.
> Tomer - can you clarify this point about Netex: "which
> is included due to its people demand and their Software which require Windows
> and Internet Explorer. " I don't understand what you're saying. Are you saying
> that the Israeli community wants Netex as part of their Firefox experience?
> what do you mean about the s/w requiring Windows and IE?
> Thanks
> mic
> 

originally, netex works with an IE add on, like i wrote in comment 22. users moving from IE to firefox are asking us how can they continue using it. so the solution is a netex search plugin.

Comment 29

[Axel Hecht [:Pike]]

Mic, can this bug be closed? We released Hebrew on 2.0.0.1, including netex, wikipedia, nana, and morfix, which seems to be ok looking at comment 27, though the value of netex still seems to be debated?

We should make some decisions here and adjust the whiteboard.

Comment 30

[Mic Berman]

Hi 
yes the bug can be closed 
i will add to our internal list the 4 search plug-in's discussed including Netex.
thanks
mic

Comment 31

[Axel Hecht [:Pike]]

Closing this bug, adjusting whiteboard.