Closed Bug 400358 Opened 18 years ago Closed 17 years ago

Mozilla Foundation, please hire a QT developer

Categories

(mozilla.org :: Governance, task)

Product:
mozilla.org
Component:
Governance
Platform:
x86
Linux
Type:
task
Priority:
Not set
Severity:
major

Tracking

(Not tracked)

Status:
RESOLVED INVALID

People

(Reporter: 4bugzilla, Unassigned)

Details

User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.8.1.7) Gecko/20070914 Firefox/2.0.0.7 Build Identifier: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.8.1.7) Gecko/20070914 Firefox/2.0.0.7 You might want to close this issue as "Invalid" or "Not a bug". Or you might say that bugzilla is not a "right" place for this. But hold on a second. Just read it till the end. This should be in this bugzilla because the explanation of this will let you to close many of other bugs you currently have opened in bugzilla. Also it will allow to avoid many new bugs created. So please don't close this bug because it will really make a lot of things clear to everyone and will make your life easier. Recently I've read "posts by lead Firefox engineer Mike Connor" at http://steelgryphon.com/blog/?p=108 I guess that the post of "lead Firefox engineer" is an authoritative source of information. He writes: -- Qt doesn’t get much love, but we’ve asked/begged/pleaded for interest, and no one really seems to have it, including the distros that invest time into Firefox -- I work in offshore software company located in Ukraine. Our company has more than 500 developers. Looking at http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/05/21/156213 I want to tell you that revenue of Mozilla Foundation many times exceeds the revenue of software company I work in. I say this because having such a solid revenue Mozilla Foundation can afford to have a lot of full time payed developers. But it doesn't want to do this? If you don't want to hire full time developers you can cooperate with some offshore software company in India or Eastern Europe to develop some feature (I mean QT back end). And this offshore company will be happy to provide support for it's developed features. Believe me, it won't coast very much. You don't have native QT support but you do have native Mac OS X support. I can bet that the number of KDE Firefox users many times exceed the number of Mac OS X Firefox users. Am I wrong? So where is the logic? Mac OS X is something really different from Linux or Windows and Mac OS X users don't use application like Firefox and OpenOffice. It's a reality. Or you want to tell that you have a lot of volunteers working on Mac Os X support. Or maybe Apple invests in this? I don't think anyone will believe this. Because as I've said Mac OS X users will never use Firefox. I am absolutely positive that you do have hired developers working on Max Os X support and there is no need to "ask/beg/plead" for interest. Am I wrong? So why don't you hire QT developer? At least one. You know in Ukraine we have a very well know proverb which describes this situation. -- If you want to do something you look for possibilities. If you don't want to do this you look for reasons. -- I don't want to offend anyone but you are looking for reasons. I don't believe that having such a solid revenue you don't have possibilities. Please be honest and explain your real policy. It will make things clear and there will be no more bugs created about KDE problems. Reproducible: Always
Summary: Mozilla Foundation policy according OS integrations → Mozilla Foundation, please hire a QT developer
(In reply to comment #0) > You might want to close this issue as "Invalid" or "Not a bug". Or you might > say that bugzilla is not a "right" place for this. But hold on a second. Just > read it till the end. You're right, it is INVALID, and Bugzilla isn't the right place. Given that you already knew that, why did you file a bug, instead of emailing people directly?
Status: UNCONFIRMED → RESOLVED
Closed: 18 years ago
Resolution: --- → INVALID
>You're right, it is INVALID, and Bugzilla isn't the right place. Given that you >already knew that, why did you file a bug, instead of emailing people directly? I wish I could email people directly. What people? What are their emails? I mean real emails which will really be read by the people who can answer such questions. I understand that there are awkward questions which you don't really want to answer. Actually I have't asked to hire anyone. I asked to expolain the policy of Mozilla Foundation according OS integrations in respect to the considerations I've highlighted. Just explain this policy somewhere (wiki, etc.) so that people had no such questions in future.
Resolution: INVALID → INCOMPLETE
(In reply to comment #2) > Actually I have't asked to hire anyone. I asked to expolain the policy of > Mozilla Foundation according OS integrations in respect to the considerations > I've highlighted. Just explain this policy somewhere (wiki, etc.) so that > people had no such questions in future. > The proper place for these types of questions is on the newsgroups. You can try mozilla.governance if you want to ask about policy questions. It's better than direct email since it will be read by many people.
Component: OS Integration → Governance
Product: Firefox → mozilla.org
QA Contact: os.integration → governance
Version: unspecified → other
I totally agree with Serhiy, we really need a working, stable, maintained Qt version of Firefox. I think most of the KDE users would use it if it existed - most of them use Firefox anyway, despite the fact that it looks and behaves completely different than the rest of their desktop. Please, reopen this bug. It _IS_ a bug. For me, a bug is any problem within an application that makes it not work as it should in some cases and/or irritates at least some of its users, and can be fixed by adding or modifying some code of the application. This is exactly the case here. It's a problem with the application that irritates half of Firefox's Linux users (those that use KDE) and it can be fixed just by writing or rewriting the Qt port... I'm not an expert, but I don't think this would be very difficult. You can read here http://dot.kde.org/1094924433/ that in 2004 a few KDE developers have written a working Qt port of Gecko in 4 days. So it can be done, and maybe you can reuse some of that code. You're saying that you want Firefox to integrate with the system it runs in as much as possible (http://blog.mozilla.com/faaborg/2007/10/10/the-firefox-3-visual-refresh-system-integration/). You're making a beautiful Vista GUI, a beautiful MacOSX GUI... why are you ignoring KDE users? BTW. Bug 335406 (https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=335406) is basically a duplicate of this one (or the other way around...).
>You can try mozilla.governance if you want to ask about policy questions. Actually I sent an email with the same questions to the governance mailing list two weeks ago. The only email I received as a reply is automatically generated message which states that my email requires moderator approval and that "Either the message will get posted to the list, or you will receive notification of the moderator's decision." Two weeks passed without any reply. And frankly speaking I doubt that I will get some response ever. If I can't get an answer neither from official bugzilla nor from official mailing list I am absolutely positive that trying newsgroup doesn't make any sense. How can I get things explained? I don't ask to hire anyone (original title was to explain the policy of DE integration). I don't want to force anyone do to something. All I want is clear and official explanation of the policy of Mozilla Foundation according OS integrations in respect to the considerations I've highlighted in my initial comments to this ticket. https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=400358#c0 Thanks
Status: RESOLVED → UNCONFIRMED
Resolution: INCOMPLETE → ---
> Actually I sent an email with the same questions to the governance > mailing list two weeks ago. Apparently you need to be a subscriber for that mailing list for your mail to go through, I posted there successfully: http://groups.google.com/group/mozilla.governance/browse_thread/thread/b54af26171b230b4/d1ee0d7f23ec7f8e#d1ee0d7f23ec7f8e Subscribing to the mailing list and re-posting or posting via the newsgroup (NNTP and mailing list are just two interfaces for the same newsgroup) should get your message through, so do try it.
(In reply to comment #6) Never mind, your old message got through. Hopefully you'll get an answer now.
I'm sorry but I can't see my email when I try to find it at http://groups.google.com/group/mozilla.governance/ You wrote me that it got through. Could you please point me to the corresponding discussion thread? Thanks
Looks like it didn't end up in the NNTP group or on the mailing list archive. It did get mailed to me (and I guess the other people subscribed via the mailing list). Try re-posting.
I've subscribed to the "governance" mailing list and reposted my email. But again I received email stating that my mail "Is being held until the list moderator can review it for approval." How can I get it passed?
Accidentally found a link to this bug in bookmarks and decided to look at it. Just a curiosity. And as I thought there is nothing in response. I am telling this in each comment to this ticket. I am not asking you to do something. I am not trying to force you to do anything. Just was a reply with answers to the the questions in my initial comments at https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=400358#c0
It seems they finally did... http://browser.garage.maemo.org/news/10/
I think this bug probably doesn't have any further value. Email me if you disagree. Gerv
Status: UNCONFIRMED → RESOLVED
Closed: 18 years ago → 17 years ago
Resolution: --- → INVALID
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