Closed Bug 407484 Opened 14 years ago Closed 13 years ago

Smart Bookmarks folder uses too much real estate in bookmarks toolbar

Categories

(Firefox :: Bookmarks & History, defect)

defect
Not set
normal

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RESOLVED INVALID

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(Reporter: wgianopoulos, Unassigned)

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Details

I can fit far fewer bookmarks on the bookmarks toolbar under Firefox 3 than Firefox 2.  This is because the Smart Bookmarks folder takes up so much real estate on the Bookmarks toolbar.  It was bad enough when the folder title was Places, but now that it has changed to Smart Bookmarks it is much worse.

I have removed the title from the folder and now it is just a folder icon with no title.

This gave me the idea that what is probably needed is a different icon for this folder.  Also nice, would be preferences to show the folder or not and to show it with or without a title.
Flags: blocking-firefox3?
Perhaps a folder with a star or something would be an appropriate icon.
It would also be helpful if folders on the bookmarks toolbar showed tooltips with the description field.  Then you could move the Smart Bookmarks string from title to description and the tooltip would show.
(In reply to comment #2)
> It would also be helpful if folders on the bookmarks toolbar showed tooltips
> with the description field.  Then you could move the Smart Bookmarks string
> from title to description and the tooltip would show.
> 

I just added a patch to bug 256065 to accomplish this part.

With that patch applied, you can set the title of the Smart Bookmarks item to blank, and set the description to Smart Bookmarks

This results in less space being used in the Bookmarks Toolbar, and you get a useful tooltip if you hover over the item.
Depends on: 256065
I still think a new icon would be the best fix, but if the patch in bug 256065 is accepted, then it is also possible to go back to using Places as the title and make the Description be Smart Bookmarks.  That would result in a tooltip that reads:

Places
Smart Bookmarks
I managed to get something close to what I was looking for by:

1.  Installing this patch from bug 256065
    https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/attachment.cgi?id=292230

2.  Changing the Bookmark title to the ✰ character (U+2730)

3.  Adding "Smart Bookmarks" as a folder description.
imho, until a user can edit the folder name (or empty it) this should not be a concern... but it surely needs a new icon to distinguish from other empty-name folders if the user deletes the name to gain space.
Not a blocker, but I'd love to get some space back on that if we can.

I'm a little weary of the star approach, but maybe that plus some text, like:

 Recent ✰s
 ✰ Smartmarks
 ✰ Magic

Those are all pretty crappy suggestions :(
Flags: blocking-firefox3? → blocking-firefox3-
We have "Latest Headlines" on the toolbar as  sample feed for feature discoverability. It takes up more space than Smart Bookmarks."  Isn't it more important that users are able to identify what this sample bookmark queries folder is than to save a little space on the toolbar?  If a user feels it's too lengthy, they can rename it.  I just made mine "Smarty"  :-)
(In reply to comment #7)

> ✰ Smartmarks

bartender, i'd like a double shot of metaphors, topped off with some anthropormorphic transference!

in all seriousness though, the star vs bookmark confusion has been constant since the stars made their debut. we should probably provide more visual and textual consistency in one direction or the other.

>
>  ✰ Magic
> 

+1

that'll fit in great with the WoWstripe theme i'm working on! ;)
[comment 1]
>This gave me the idea that what is probably needed is a different icon for this
>folder.  Also nice, would be preferences to show the folder or not and to show
>it with or without a title.

The folder will likely get a special icon.  As for the preferences, I think going for the normal folder approach is the most flexible: users can move it, delete it, rename it, or decide to store other smart bookmarks in it.


[comment 7]
>I'd love to get some space back on that if we can

Actually what has been worrying me is not the space used up, as much as the long horizontal mouse movement you have to make to get to subfolders. Also, even though we simplied the list significantly, we still force user's to decide between recency and frequency.  I'm wondering if we shouldn't just put Most Visited and Tags directly on the bookmarks toolbar, and get rid of recently bookmarked.

[comment #9]
>in all seriousness though, the star vs bookmark confusion has been constant
>since the stars made their debut.

Here is my plan for trying to create a consistent message that they are the same thing: the word "star" is totally banned, we need to remember to call them bookmarks, not starred pages.  Also, we shouldn't say "you can star a page" but rather "you can bookmark a page."  Also, all bookmark images are going to incorporate a star icon.  For instance the bookmarks toolbar icon in proto displays a star embossed on the surface of the book.  Hopefully if we do both, people will start to get that bookmark == star



this report is "the return of find a better name for Places folder"
well, since Most Visited is not a bookmar view, what about "✰ Smart Picks" ?
And obviously change "Latest Headlines" to "Latest News"
i've gained 9 chars :)
(In reply to comment #7)
> Not a blocker, but I'd love to get some space back on that if we can.
> 
> I'm a little weary of the star approach, but maybe that plus some text, like:
> 
>  Recent ✰s
>  ✰ Smartmarks
>  ✰ Magic
> 
> Those are all pretty **** suggestions :(
> 

Well, not that ****.  I kind of like Smartmarks.  At least it fits in with Livemarks (but then I kind of thought Livemarks was a **** idea). :-)

(In reply to comment #12)
> > 
> 
> (but then I kind of thought Livemarks was a crappy idea). :-)
> 

Yeah, Livemarks could use some help as well.

I think we're not well served by taking a metaphor, cutting it in half, and then anthropomorphizing it (franken-concept!). While this naming approach does provide uniqueness, it doesn't bring clarity of meaning.

For example I think that "microsummary", while a bit phonetically heavy, does a good job of being descriptive.
(In reply to comment #10)
> 
> Here is my plan for trying to create a consistent message that they are the
> same thing: the word "star" is totally banned, we need to remember to call them
> bookmarks, not starred pages.  Also, we shouldn't say "you can star a page" but
> rather "you can bookmark a page."  Also, all bookmark images are going to
> incorporate a star icon.  For instance the bookmarks toolbar icon in proto
> displays a star embossed on the surface of the book.  Hopefully if we do both,
> people will start to get that bookmark == star
> 

Sounds good to me. Can you file a bug for this?
>Sounds good to me. Can you file a bug for this?

All of the changes to icons are being tracked with bug 399398.  Filing a bug saying that the words "star" or "starring" are banned probably won't work, but I'll be sure to keep an eye out for this and file specific follow up bugs if needed.
1. Your PC must be ancient to not have enough space on the toolbar.
2. Considering that IE, old FF, Opera bookmark to the "menu" by default, meaning that likewise, most users are accustomed to using bookmarks under the Menu rather than the bar, why not just move Smart Bookmarks to the Menu?

That would make sense to me since if you close the bookmarks bar, the only way to get Smart Bookmarks again is to ctrl+b or show all bookmarks.
Depends on: 412166
No longer depends on: 256065
The Smart Bookmarks folder is no longer created in new profiles -> INVALID.

Please open a new bug if you have space problems with the "Most Visited" smart-bookmark.
Status: NEW → RESOLVED
Closed: 13 years ago
Resolution: --- → INVALID
Bug 451915 - move Firefox/Places bugs to Firefox/Bookmarks and History. Remove all bugspam from this move by filtering for the string "places-to-b-and-h".

In Thunderbird 3.0b, you do that as follows:
Tools | Message Filters
Make sure the correct account is selected. Click "New"
Conditions: Body   contains   places-to-b-and-h
Change the action to "Delete Message".
Select "Manually Run" from the dropdown at the top.
Click OK.

Select the filter in the list, make sure "Inbox" is selected at the bottom, and click "Run Now". This should delete all the bugspam. You can then delete the filter.

Gerv
Component: Places → Bookmarks & History
QA Contact: places → bookmarks
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