443254 - Bad wording for Refresh/redirect setting in the Options

Status: NEW

(Firefox :: Settings UI, defect)

Description

[Hartmut Gläser]

User-Agent:       Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; de; rv:1.9) Gecko/2008052906 Firefox/3.0
Build Identifier: Firefox/3.0

My English-write is no good (read is a little better), also my TIP in German. Give me pardon ;-)
Unter Firefox 3 erhalte ich auf meiner Schachspielseite folgende
Meldung:"Meta-Refresh ist vermutlich deaktiviert".Im IE kann man das
aktivieren/deaktivieren - und dann geht die Anmeldung bei dem
Schachserver, 
In Firefox 3 sicher auch - aber wo? Da fragte ich bei diversen Usern und fand mit ihnen dann die Lösung:
Unter "Extra->Erweitert->Allgemein" entfernt man den Haken bei
"Warnen,wenn Websites versuchen umzuleiten oder neuzuladen" und damit funktioniert alles wieder wie gewünscht.Dieser Sachverhalt ist auch nirgends so explizit beschrieben.

Nun mein Hinweis / Tip 
Hier mit dem Hakenkasten wird nicht gewarnt, hier wird (wie bei IE7)
Meta-Refresh (oder: Webseitenumleitung, -neuladung) ein- und
ausgeschaltet".

Richtig wäre es allerdings, wenn man echt nur gewarnt würde und entscheiden könnte (seitenkonkret) ob .. oder ob nicht. Denn wegen einer vertrauenswürdigen) Seite gilt es sonst nun für alle Sites. Da soll es
wohl ein AddOn schon geben oder eine Erweiterung - habe sie aber leider
bisher nicht gefunden. Wer weiss das oder könnte es wissen, Sie evl?

Mein Problem hat sich nun gelöst - andere suchen evl.noch, daher die
Bitte um Änderung der Übersetzung und / oder den Hinweis an die
Entwickler, dem Text zu folgen und eine "Ja / Nein" Entscheidung nach
einer Warnung einzubauen.

Ich würde mich über eine Antwort sehr freuen und grüße nun ganz herzlich
Hartmut Gläser
aus Halle/Saale
Germany

Reproducible: Always

Steps to Reproduce:
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Where i find an User for programming to give him Bug-Info in german?
E-Mail or www...Site (adress)

Comment 1

[Matthias Versen [:Matti]]

a short translation:
I had a problem with my chess game page page. I got a error message "Meta refresh seems to be deactivated".
You can activate/deactivate this feature in IE and the chess page works.
I asked several users and found with them the solution under 
tools/options/advanced/general/[]warn me when websites try to redirect or reload the page.
unchecking this options fixed the problem on the site.
It seems that this options doesn't warn, instead it deactivates/activates redirects 

Additional he wants per site options for such prefs.

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Reporter:
Die einstellung heißt auch im englischen so und es handelt sich um keinen Übersetzungsfehler. Wenn der Fehler bestätigt wird, dann ist es ein gültiger Bug. Die Standarteinstellung für diese Option ist übrigens deaktiviert.

Die bitte auf eine option die man pro seite einstellen kann ist übrigens hier in diesem Bug report nicht gültig da man nur ein Problem pro Bug schreiben darf.
Es wäre gültig als neuer Bug als enhancement request aber ich glaube da gibt es schon einen existierenden Bug dazu und Du müsstest danach suchen.

Comment 2

[Matthias Versen [:Matti]]

Attachment: Meta refresh Test

Comment 3

[Matthias Versen [:Matti]]

Attachment: screenshot from the infobar that FF opens with enabled warning

Comment 4

[Matthias Versen [:Matti]]

The wording is not perfect the setting should be changed from 
"[]warn me when websites try to redirect or reload the page." to something like
"[]ask me if websites try to redirect or reload the page."

Comment 5

[Ralph]

I'm having the same issue on Fx 3.1 b2; I didn't on Fx 3.0.x though (but those versions were "portable" ones).

Comment 6

[Bartłomiej Brzozowiec (BartZilla)]

(In reply to comment #1)
> Additional he wants per site options for such prefs.
 
Just FYI: that would be bug 423749, I guess...

Comment 7

[:aceman]

What exactly is the problem here? Is it still relevant in Firefox 6? The original report is about some broken functionality (but no URL provided). Later comments just propose wording changes. Please explain.

Comment 8

[Peter Ford]

From my reading of Matthias's translation in Comment 1, the functionality was broken due to a setting the user had enabled, which has misleading wording.  As Matthias implies in Comment 4, Firefox doesn't just *warn* you about a redirect, it *blocks* the redirect and asks the user whether to allow it.

So the summary is correct; this bug is just about the wording.  Yes, it does currently affect the English language version of Firefox 6.0.2, which still says "warn me when websites try to redirect or reload the page".  Clearly in 2008, at least, it affected the German language Firefox as well.


The only thing I am uncertain of is Comment 5.  (Ralph can you shed some light?)  I doubt the wording would have been different between those 2 versions of Firefox that he mentions.  Perhaps, like the submitter, he also encountered a website that couldn't cope with Firefox when this setting was enabled?  (Perhaps some websites have lots of fast/dynamic redirects that just don't work at the speed with which a user can click "Allow"?  I don't remember, but it may have been encountering one such website that first led me to this bug.  If there are some websites like that, that would increase the desirability of having the correct wording.)

Comment 9

[:aceman]

Ok, changing to "block redirects" would be in line with the other features like "block popup windows". It also blocks them but the infobar enables to allow them.

If the site can measure the time it takes to redirect (how?) and complains if the user doesn't allow it that seems to be a decision of the user. He wanted to block the redirect. Seems to be the same as when sites don't work 100% with popups blocked.

Comment 10

[Peter Ford]

> changing to "block redirects" would be in line with ... "block popup windows"

Good point.


> ... Seems to be the same as when sites don't work 100% with popups blocked.

Agreed.  If such websites do exist, I don't propose that Firefox deliberately makes any allowance specifically for them.  (Although it would be nice to improve things like this bug, and bug 423749.)

Comment 11

[Ralph]

Well, it's been a while since Comment 5, so I'm not sure myself now.

Something missing even now is the ability to configure this on a per-domain (per-subdomain?) basis (and "stop bothering").

Comment 12

[:aceman]

Sure: bug 453077.

Comment 13

[Ralph]

Interesting... looks like a duplicate of bug 423749 (see Comment 6).

Comment 14

[:aceman]

No. Bug 453077 is for a global setting, bug 423749 is for allowing per-site settings.

Comment 15

[Nicolas Barbulesco]

The current option, whether in French, or in English, says something along the lines of :

"Warn me when Web sites try to redirect or reload the page."

To say what the option does, it has to say :

"Ask me when Web sites try to redirect or reload the page."

A warning is just a warning. The option does more than just a warning.

By the way, I would prefer it in singular, simpler :

"Ask me when a Web site tries to redirect or reload the page."

Nicolas