459888 - [lv] Search engine setup for Firefox 3 for Latvian.

Status: RESOLVED FIXED

(Mozilla Localizations :: lv / Latvian, defect)

Description

[Staś Małolepszy :stas]

We want to ship Firefox 3 a good list of search engines for Latvian. 

We're going to work towards this in three phases. First, the localization team and Stas (Stas Malolepszy) will look at the market for the language and come up with a good set of search providers. Raivis, we'll need your input on this, the guidelines for making recommendations are on http://wiki.mozilla.org/Firefox_web_services_guidelines. 

For en-US, we currently use this set, to which we can fall back in the case of lacking localized alternatives:
Google, Yahoo, Amazon, Answers, CC, eBay, Wikipedia

After we decided on a particular search engine, Stas will contact the owner and ask for permission, and for specifics like proper search flags. undefined, we'll likely need your help to at least get the contact information.

Once we have a specification on what the searchengines for Latvian should look like, the localization team and Axel will work on an implementation on that. This should happen by the localization team creating and attaching patches for the desired changes, and requesting review from Axel. After a successful review, the localization team will land them.

Please don't commit any modifications in l10n/lv/browser/searchplugins to the cvs repository without a patch reviewed by Axel, Stas or someone else appointed by Stas or SethB. The data here is sensitive to users and our search partners, thus the extra care here.

Comment 1

[Raivis Dejus]

Google, Yahoo and Wikipedia are ok for Latvia, al

Amazon, CC and eBay are not that popular in Latvia.

For e-commerce I can suggest the following:
- http://www.salidzini.lv/
- http://kurpirkt.lv/index.php

those both are sites that aggregate info about all the internet shops in Latvia.

So far we have committed changes from FF2 to l10n/lv/browser/searchplugins

Comment 2

[Raivis Dejus]

Ok, so I think we should go with:
General search plugins: Google, Yahoo, Wikipedia (lv).
e-Commerce: http://salidzini.lv ( salidzini(at)salidzini.lv )
specific Latvian search: http://dict.lv/ (dictionary. dictdot(at)gmail.com)

I have some free time and could contact the owners of these sites, to speed up the process.

Do we need anything else to decide on the choice of searchplugins?

Comment 3

[Staś Małolepszy :stas]

Raivis, these are really good suggestions. To summarize:

general search: 
* google -> google
* yahoo -> yahoo

e-commerce:
* Amazon -> salidzini.lv
* eBay -> ? (are there any popular auction sites that you would recommend?)

specific interest search:
* wikipedia -> wikipedia (lv)
* CC -> dict.lv
* Answers -> (remove)

Can you thin of an good auction sites that we could include in e-commerce category? We normally try to ship with one retail and one auction plug-in.

Please contact salidzini.lv and dict.lv if you can. (I can write to them as well, so please let me know what you prefer.) We'll need to ask for their permission and verify what search parameters they expect. We can also suggest adding a special parameter (e.g. from=mozilla) to let the search providers identify the traffic driven by the plug-ins.

Comment 4

[Staś Małolepszy :stas]

One more thing: for dict.lv it would be cool to ask them if we can pass the parameters in a URL and then get a results on a new page. Right now the search is based on AJAX and the page doesn't reload.

Comment 5

[Raivis Dejus]

Attachment: Latvian search plugin update

I have permission to use salidzini.lv (also sent in english to Stas) and a permission to use dict.lv (owner is yet to confirm permission in english to Stas)

ss.lv is still thinking weather to give permission.

We should go with 5 search plugins for now and add SS.lv later if/when they give their permission.

Comment 6

[Staś Małolepszy :stas]

Comment on attachment 344274 [details] [diff] [review]
Latvian search plugin update

Thanks Raivis. This looks good in general, but please see a couple of my comments below. r- for now, but we're on a good track :)

>Index: dict-lven.xml
>===================================================================

>+<OpenSearchDescription xmlns="http://a9.com/-/spec/opensearch/1.1/">

We should use MozSearch format for the shipped plugins:
<SearchPlugin xmlns="http://www.mozilla.org/2006/browser/search/">

>+	<ShortName>Dict.lv Lv-En</ShortName>

I don't know why, but I acually thought we were going to include "en-lv" search. Wouldn't that be more useful for the users?

>+	<Description>Latviešu - angļu vārdnīca</Description>
>+	<Image height="16" width="16" type="image/x-icon">http://dict.lv/favicon.ico</Image>

We should use http://software.hixie.ch/utilities/cgi/data/data to generate a data: URI from the icon. Please select base64 on this page, put "http://dict.lv/favicon.ico" in HTTP URI field and hit "Generate".

>+	<adultcontent>false</adultcontent>

This is not needed.

Adding 

<InputEncoding>UTF-8</InputEncoding> 
<SearchForm>http://dict.lv</SearchForm>

somewhere in this file might also be a good idea.


>Index: list.txt
>===================================================================
>RCS file: /l10n/l10n/lv/browser/searchplugins/list.txt,v
>retrieving revision 1.10
>diff -u -8 -p -r1.10 list.txt
>--- list.txt	9 Oct 2008 11:25:34 -0000	1.10
>+++ list.txt	22 Oct 2008 12:10:03 -0000
>@@ -1,7 +1,5 @@
>-amazondotcom
>-answers
>-creativecommons
>-eBay
> google
>-wikipedia
> yahoo
>+salidzinilv
>+wikipedia-lv

We also need to modify and add to the searchplugins/ directory the wikipedia-lv.xml file.


>+dict-lven
>Index: salidzinilv.xml
>===================================================================

Let's add <SearchForm>http://salidzini.lv</SearchForm> to this file as well. The <SearchForm/> element is the URL that will open if a user hits Enter (or clicks the magnifying glass icon) when the search bar is empty.

Comment 7

[Raivis Dejus]

Attachment: Latvian search plugin update v.2

Patch with your commnets included.

Comment 8

[Staś Małolepszy :stas]

Comment on attachment 344307 [details] [diff] [review]
Latvian search plugin update v.2

r=me. Please land this patch on CVS referencing this bug and my review. A couple of minor formatting comments follow. Please address them before landing.

>Index: dict-enlv.xml
>===================================================================

>+	<ShortName>Dict.lv En-Lv</ShortName>
>+	<Description>Angļu - latviešu vārdnīca</Description>
>+	<Image height="16" width="16" type="image/x-icon">(...)</Image>
>+	<Url type="text/html" method="get" template="http://dict.lv/en-lv/{searchTerms}"/>
>+	<InputEncoding>UTF-8</InputEncoding> 
>+	<SearchForm>http://dict.lv</SearchForm>

Could you remove the indentation here, please?


>Index: salidzinilv.xml
>===================================================================

>+<Url type="text/html" method="GET" template="http://www.salidzini.lv/search.php">
>+	<Param name="q" value="{searchTerms}"/>
>+	<Param name="from" value="firefox-plugin"/>
>+</Url>
>+<Url type="application/x-suggestions+json" method="GET" template="http://www.salidzini.lv/suggested_search.php">
>+	<Param name="q" value="{searchTerms}"/>
>+	<Param name="from" value="firefox-plugin"/>
>+</Url>

Please use two-space indentation for <Params/>.

Also, do the suggestions work for you? It doesn't seem to work for me. If I put the suggestion URL in the location bar, I get a response from the server, but it take quite long to get through.

Comment 9

[Raivis Dejus]

Fixed indents and landed in CVS.

Closing this bug for now. If SS.lv will respond or we come to some other new search engine will reopen :)

Comment 10

[Axel Hecht [:Pike]]

Mind filing a follow up bug on SS.lv? Then we can track that option independent of this bug.

Comment 11

[Raivis Dejus]

I'll fille a bug when we have something to talk about / review like when SS.lv give their answer or we think of a new site / search engine.
So far I would interpret no answer as "no".

Comment 12

[Staś Małolepszy :stas]

Thanks Raivis. Can you add verify1.9.0.4 keyword to this bug once you verify that the search engines are OK in a nightly build, please?

Comment 13

[Raivis Dejus]

Reopening to deal with the SS.lv plugin.

Comment 14

[Raivis Dejus]

Attachment: SS.lv search plugin added to the Latvian search plugins

I have a werbal permission to use SS.lv as a search plugin and a promise that manager will email in english confirming the permission.

Adding SS.lv plugin patch for review

Comment 15

[Staś Małolepszy :stas]

Comment on attachment 344455 [details] [diff] [review]
SS.lv search plugin added to the Latvian search plugins

Great. Raivis forwarded me all permissions, so we're good.

r=me. Same procedure as above, please :)

Thanks for all the hard work on contacting the providers. We really made some good progress this week on this bug.

Comment 16

[Staś Małolepszy :stas]

A final summary of what we did here:

general search: 
* google -> google
* yahoo -> yahoo

e-commerce:
* Amazon -> salidzini.lv
* eBay -> ss.lv

specific interest search:
* wikipedia -> wikipedia (lv)
* CC -> dict.lv
* Answers -> (remove)

Comment 17

[Raivis Dejus]

landed patch in CVS.
Closing bug again.
Will add verify1.9.0.4 keyword once I verify search plugins in a nightly build