Closed Bug 488001 Opened 16 years ago Closed 16 years ago

Feature request: The mail control GUI for mailserver creating

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(Thunderbird :: General, enhancement)

enhancement
Not set
normal

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(Not tracked)

RESOLVED WONTFIX

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(Reporter: gforestf, Unassigned)

Details

User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; ru; rv:1.9.0.8) Gecko/2009032609 Firefox/3.0.8 (.NET CLR 3.5.30729) Build Identifier: The GUI for mail on the mailserver control (MSC) is to be created. Major functions: 1. Display of all mail messages from the mailserver folder/any mailserver/some mailservers under detailing, sorting and filtering customized by user. 2. The detailing facilities must include message header field (from, to, title, datestamp of receiving and creating, priority, etc.), message newness status (new - just received, unread, only on server, exists on client), message size, number of attachments and their titles, types and sizes, as well as the beginning (some characters/strings - customizable parameter) of the message body text. 3. Sorting, filtering and searching by any displayable fields. 4.The following operations with all/selected/filtered mail messages are possible: copy/move to mailclient (equivalent to simple mail receiving), delete from mailserver and/or mailclient, change reading status. 5. Show detailed information about receiving process: current loading message/attachment, progress indicator/time remaining, general progress. Minor functions: 6. The possibility to use MSC as the main mail-receiving mode for any mailbox. Reproducible: Always
so you want to be able to control your mail server from thunderbird , is that what you are asking for ?
yes
That might be technically possible to log in as any mailbox and do what you're looking for, however this isn't something Thunderbird core could take on. Through an extension you could probably make a version of this happen.
(In reply to comment #0) > User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; ru; rv:1.9.0.8) > Gecko/2009032609 Firefox/3.0.8 (.NET CLR 3.5.30729) > Build Identifier: > > The GUI for mail on the mailserver control (MSC) is to be created. Given the number of Imap servers Pop servers and combinations of backend for those server I'm going to close this as WONTFIX. This should be done through extensions - it would probably be one extension by server. I Think the idea is good you should post it to mozilla.dev.extension - maybe it would be picked up by some dev.
Status: UNCONFIRMED → RESOLVED
Closed: 16 years ago
Resolution: --- → WONTFIX
Looks like there's some misunderstanding — either by some of feature requesters or developers (or me :-))... I supposed this feature to be something like TheBAT Mail Dispatcher which many people find convenient and feel lack of such functionality in Thunderbird. If you think, that Thunderbird doesn't need such tool, then «RESOLVED WONTFIX» is the right status. Though it will make many people feel quite disappointed.
I think an extension that implements TheBAT Mail Dispatcher inside Thunderbird is a great idea and would likely get a lot of users. The problem is that Thunderbird has roughly more than 7 million people using it and I need to feel comfortable that probably 1/2 (at least 3.5 million people) would need this on a daily basis in order to build it inside Thunderbird. I hope we're not dissappointing it's just a question of what we can ship by default that involves what people need even down to how many megabytes the download is. As an extension you could still capture that whole audience of 7 million people or even if it's a smaller target audience. With the extension user numbers in the 3 - 4 million range we would definitely ask to fold your code into Thunderbird. Thanks for the request and feel free to jump into #maildev with questions if you're working on the extension.
Yes. I need this function very much. It's a big surprise for me to read the answer of Bryan W Clark. Answer of Bryan W Clark is love only to itself. He does not wish to do work that is necessary for many users because he wants to give only own ideas to those users, because those ones are pleasant him. He does something - we must eat it in the silence. It's very sad. Good bye, Tunderbird! Hasta la Vista!
(In reply to comment #7) > Yes. I need this function very much. I have several functions I need very much in Thunderbird: that does not mean that I have the right to force every single user of Thunderbird to have a program that has such functionality, even if they don't need it. That's what extensions are for: I can select the functionality I need. What Mr. Clark stated is that the number of people who would use such a feature does not warrant the inclusion of this feature into Thunderbird. The WONTFIX means that we are not accepting this feature for inclusion at this time. If you can demonstrate to us with hard numbers (i.e., extension usage rates) that sufficiently many people would want this, we can reopen this discussion. Nothing is stopping you from asking an extension developer to work on it, or, better yet, writing an extension yourself. > He does not wish to do work that is necessary for many users because he wants > to give only own ideas to those users, because those ones are pleasant him. If I could only work on the features that I desperately want, I would be ecstatic. Heck, I would be happy to simply work on those features. I have been unable to work on any of the feature requests I made. </rant>
There are many forums and blogs where users discuss this feature of Thunderbird. Here is an example from Russian Mozilla forum: http://forum.mozilla-russia.org/viewtopic.php?id=15293&p=1 The words of Mr. Clark about "at least 3.5 million people" are mockery. So soon the quantity of Thunderbird users will be become below 100 people.
I have read your splendid speeches and have understood, that the Thunderbird project will not develop any more because any change needs desire of 3.5 million users, doesn't it? Then please answer what does your work consist of? The developers of "The Bat!" are proud what their mail client has this discussed function which involves many users. These users pay money for it because it is necessary for their work. And why are you indifferent? I don't understand. I trusted in you till this moment.
(In reply to comment #10) > Then please answer what does your work consist of? Among other things, it consists of making a framework that extension developers can build on top of, so that unlike TheBat!, if 0.01% of our users want something, it can be developed as an extension without costing the core developers the time to keep testing and maintaining and supporting something that most people don't need or want or ever use, and without cluttering up the interface for people who don't use it. We've been building Thunderbird with an open bug database where anyone with a wish can file it for six or seven years now, with things filed about Mozilla's mail component running back another three or four years before that. If you are going to claim that this is something that everyone wants, that people will switch away in droves if they don't get, then this report *must* be a duplicate of an older report which would already have dozens of duplicates. But whether this is the first time someone has asked for this or the tenth, the right way for it to proceed is the same: find someone who wants to write it as an extension, see how popular that extension becomes, if it actually does wind up being a must-have *then* start talking about including it as a core feature.
Mr. Ringnalda. Thank you for your answer. I understood a problem essence. As to me it isn't difference how this problem will be solved, by entering a code into core of Thunderbird or by extension creation. I and many other users are not programmers and we cannot create the necessary extension. On your logic we are not worthy of your attention and should buy a commercial product. Mr. Cranmer > I have several functions I need very much in Thunderbird: that does not mean > that I have the right to force every single user of Thunderbird to have a > program that has such functionality, even if they do not need it. That's what > extensions are for: I can select the functionality I need. You have one advantage before me - you can write yourselves the necessary extension, and I cannot. You think that I should not never use Thunderbird and I should not distract developer team from maintaining core.
So because he can code, he should be obliged to fix it for you? Getting it fixed is totally up to the people who want the feature and find it important enough. Extensibility means you *can* do that, without having to get it approved by anyone. That "can" can be anything from finding a coder that's interesting in doing it, contract a coder to do it for you, to taking up coding yourself.
Thank you, Mr.Melin. I already understood this idea. Where can I find any coder in my small city? There is only dialup with analog net and GPRS Internet connection here. How much is it cost to make this extension? Where and how? Do you know it?
No idea - probably way more than you'd be willing to spend.
I am not alone. A lot of users in my country want to get this feature. Many of us use the splendid commercial mail-client "The Bat!", but this one does not work in Linux. If you know somebody, who can do this extension, please tell me. I'll try to find needed "Checksum", which can be donated. So how much? Is the another way to get the positive result?
I am not alone. A lot of users in my country want to get this feature. Many of us use the splendid commercial mail-client "The Bat!", but this one does not work in Linux. If you know somebody, who can do this extension, please tell me. I'll try to find needed "Checksum", which can be donated. So how much? Is the another way to get the positive result?
(In reply to comment #17) > I am not alone. A lot of users in my country want to get this feature. > Many of us use the splendid commercial mail-client "The Bat!", but this one > does not work in Linux. If you know somebody, who can do this extension, please > tell me. I'll try to find needed "Checksum", which can be donated. So how > much? There are other ways to get that - you might contact computer students that would be willing to do such extension as a project. Try mozilla.dev.extension or visit www.mozdev.org you might find some resource for that there.
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