603945 - (fx40-p12n-bn-BD) [bn-BD] Firefox 4.0 productization review for Bengali (Bangladesh)

Status: RESOLVED FIXED

(Mozilla Localizations :: bn-BD / Bengali, defect)

Description

[Staś Małolepszy :stas]

As you might have seen in the newsgroups or on the Mozilla blog, there's a couple of changes to search engines planned for the 4.0 release for en-US: <http://groups.google.com/group/mozilla.dev.l10n/msg/81073d8d67e1c4c3>. We would like to use this opportunity to review the current productization setup for Bengali (Bangladesh) and make any changes that you think will be good for our users.

What is a productization review?
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Here's what we're interested in:
* search engines,
* protocol handlers,
* feed readers,
* live bookmark.
You can see what your locale currently ships with at <http://hg.mozilla.org/l10n/l10n-src-verification/file/default/reference/browser/2.0/bn-BD>

Please take a moment and review the choice of services available by default in your locale. If there have been any new services that have recently gained popularity and that offer good value for the users, please suggest adding them to your locale. On the other hand, if there are services that lost credibility (e.g. display too many adds) or have poor user experience, consider suggesting that we remove them. If in doubt, feel free to make a suggestion and we'll look at it together. You might find the guidelines at <https://wiki.mozilla.org/L10n:Productization> and <https://wiki.mozilla.org/L10n:Firefox/Productization> helpful, too.

Required changes
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There's two things I would like to draw your attention to (if applicable):

1) if you have a google.xml file in your `searchplugins` directory, please remove it,

2) Bloglines is closing down on November 1st and we need to remove it from the feed reader options for all locales (see bug 595485). We suspect that it will make sense to move Google Reader up to the first position (if your locale has it). We will be offering technical help with this change, either in form of ready-made patches or a mass-landing by one of the l10n-drivers. If you don't think that moving Google Reader up is a good idea for your locale, please let us know!

Changes in en-US and en-GB
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Here's the changes that we will be making in en-US and en-GB:
* add Bing as the 3rd general search engine (see bug 603298),
* remove Answers,
* remove Creative Commons.

We're making these changes in en-US and en-GB because we feel that they follow the recent market trends and user preferences in the US and the UK. We would like to go through the same thought process for your locale and see if any of these changes would make sense in Bengali (Bangladesh) builds as well. If you decide that implementing these changes would be in your users' best interest then please go ahead and include them in the patch you'll attach to this bug.


Implementation
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Please make suggestions for changes and attach patches that Seth, Axel or I will review. Please note that since Bing provides a global plugin which does the locale detection itself, you will only need to add "bing" to your list.txt if you decide to include it. The XML file will be automatically pulled from en-US.

Once a review is granted, you can land the patch on l10n-central if your locale actively maintains it. Otherwise, please wait for further instructions which will be put in the comments of this bug and announced in mozilla.dev.l10n (we're still unsure when the branching will happen). Please do not land any changes except for the required ones (google.xml, Bloglines) on 1.9.2.

If you do not wish to make any changes, let us know, and we'll only work on removing Bloglines.

Thanks!

Comment 1

[Jamil Ahmed]

stas: I want to keep only Google, Yahoo and Bing like en-US and en-GB locale. I'll add a patch soon.

I will need your help on using Google reader instead of Bloglines.

Comment 2

[Seth Bindernagel]

Attachment: bn-BD bloglines removal

Jamil, can you take a look at this patch for 1.9.2.  Stas can review.

Comment 3

[Jamil Ahmed]

Seth, it seems ok to me. Thanks!

Comment 4

[Jamil Ahmed]

Attachment: bn-BD Patch to fix feed reader.

Sorry, I want to put Google on top of Netvibes. This patch is for 1.9.2.

Comment 5

[Jamil Ahmed]

Attachment: bn-BD Patch to fix feed reader and searchplugins.

Updated the feedreader, added Bing as 3rd search engine and cleaned the search plugins. This patch is for mozilla-central.

Comment 6

[Seth Bindernagel]

Comment on attachment 485231 [details] [diff] [review]
bn-BD Patch to fix feed reader and searchplugins.

Can you confirm that you want to remove Yahoo from the feed handler section?  Feel free to provide an explanation if you want.  Curious to learn if Yahoo is not relevant or what.

Comment 7

[Seth Bindernagel]

I might have to r- my original patch!  :) 

I am looking at what I did now and I see that Bloglines was not even part of the original 1.9.2 set for bn-BD.  Jamil, is that right?  Not sure what I was doing there.  

If that is the case, then I suggest we only make changes to Mozilla Central in anticipation of Firefox 4.  We should only make changes to the stable branch for things like a service partner going out of business or something else of comparative nature.  We probably should not make any UI changes to 1.9.2 if existing services are still available.  Make sense?

Comment 8

[Jamil Ahmed]

Seth, Bloglines was / is not in original 1.9.2 for bn-BD. Sorry I was confused too.

I agree with your opinion, not to change 1.9.2; I will discard my patches too.

Comment 9

[Jamil Ahmed]

Comment on attachment 485231 [details] [diff] [review]
bn-BD Patch to fix feed reader and searchplugins.

I was making similar changes you made in your patch. :-/

Thanks for asking. I want to re-arrange the feed handlers, 1. Google, 2. Yahoo, 3. Netvibes. Is it ok? I will submit another patch discarding this.

Comment 10

[Seth Bindernagel]

Yes please and sorry for my error.  Not sure what I was thinking. :-/

Comment 11

[Jamil Ahmed]

Attachment: bn-BD Patch to fix feed reader and searchplugins.

Updated the feedreader sorting order, added Bing as 3rd search engine and cleaned the searchplugins. This patch is for mozilla-central.

Comment 12

[Seth Bindernagel]

Comment on attachment 486014 [details] [diff] [review]
bn-BD Patch to fix feed reader and searchplugins.

This looks good.  Please land on l10n-central.  And, please add a comment to that check in that references 603945 and the changes made.

One big question for me:  can we add two search engines to your set to help provide a diverse set of options?  Right now, I see three general purpose search engines and one specific interest search.  Are there any other viable options for either specific interest or ecommerce search for your locale?

Comment 13

[Seth Bindernagel]

Comment on attachment 485035 [details] [diff] [review]
bn-BD bloglines removal

Wrong altogether.

Comment 14

[Jamil Ahmed]

Comment on attachment 486014 [details] [diff] [review]
bn-BD Patch to fix feed reader and searchplugins.

Thanks for reviewing. Landed on l10n-central. 
http://hg.mozilla.org/l10n-central/bn-BD/rev/9b6e63e6307d

I will inform if I find any better search options for our locale. :)

Comment 15

[Seth Bindernagel]

Jamil, I will probably close this bug now.  If you need to make any productization changes to Firefox 4, feel free to reopen it.  OK?  Thanks for the hard work.

Comment 16

[Staś Małolepszy :stas]

https://hg.mozilla.org/l10n/l10n-src-verification/rev/c2902009a117

Comment 17

[Jamil Ahmed]

sethb, stas: It seems ok to me. Thanks!

Comment 18

[Staś Małolepszy :stas]

Thank you, Jamil!

Comment 19

[Seth Bindernagel]

Jamil,  Pike and I are going through a quick review of things and we noticed that you have removed two local search plugins, clickbd and cellbazaar.  As you can see from comment #12, I asked if you would like to add more local search options, but we never heard back from you.  Are you certain that you want to remove clickbd and cellbazaar?  If so, can you provide a quick reason why?  

To be clear, it's not a problem if you do choose to remove them.  But, if it was an error, we can either add them back...or, if it was not an error, we can close this bug.  We just want to read a bit more about the rationale, if you don't mind. :)