603970 - (fx40-p12n-gl) [gl] Firefox 4.0 productization review for Galician

Status: RESOLVED FIXED

(Mozilla Localizations :: gl / Galician, defect)

Description

[Staś Małolepszy :stas]

As you might have seen in the newsgroups or on the Mozilla blog, there's a couple of changes to search engines planned for the 4.0 release for en-US: <http://groups.google.com/group/mozilla.dev.l10n/msg/81073d8d67e1c4c3>. We would like to use this opportunity to review the current productization setup for Galician and make any changes that you think will be good for our users.

What is a productization review?
================================

Here's what we're interested in:
* search engines,
* protocol handlers,
* feed readers,
* live bookmark.
You can see what your locale currently ships with at <http://hg.mozilla.org/l10n/l10n-src-verification/file/default/reference/browser/2.0/gl>

Please take a moment and review the choice of services available by default in your locale. If there have been any new services that have recently gained popularity and that offer good value for the users, please suggest adding them to your locale. On the other hand, if there are services that lost credibility (e.g. display too many adds) or have poor user experience, consider suggesting that we remove them. If in doubt, feel free to make a suggestion and we'll look at it together. You might find the guidelines at <https://wiki.mozilla.org/L10n:Productization> and <https://wiki.mozilla.org/L10n:Firefox/Productization> helpful, too.

Required changes
================

There's two things I would like to draw your attention to (if applicable):

1) if you have a google.xml file in your `searchplugins` directory, please remove it,

2) Bloglines is closing down on November 1st and we need to remove it from the feed reader options for all locales (see bug 595485). We suspect that it will make sense to move Google Reader up to the first position (if your locale has it). We will be offering technical help with this change, either in form of ready-made patches or a mass-landing by one of the l10n-drivers. If you don't think that moving Google Reader up is a good idea for your locale, please let us know!

Changes in en-US and en-GB
==========================

Here's the changes that we will be making in en-US and en-GB:
* add Bing as the 3rd general search engine (see bug 603298),
* remove Answers,
* remove Creative Commons.

We're making these changes in en-US and en-GB because we feel that they follow the recent market trends and user preferences in the US and the UK. We would like to go through the same thought process for your locale and see if any of these changes would make sense in Galician builds as well. If you decide that implementing these changes would be in your users' best interest then please go ahead and include them in the patch you'll attach to this bug.


Implementation
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Please make suggestions for changes and attach patches that Seth, Axel or I will review. Please note that since Bing provides a global plugin which does the locale detection itself, you will only need to add "bing" to your list.txt if you decide to include it. The XML file will be automatically pulled from en-US.

Once a review is granted, you can land the patch on l10n-central if your locale actively maintains it. Otherwise, please wait for further instructions which will be put in the comments of this bug and announced in mozilla.dev.l10n (we're still unsure when the branching will happen). Please do not land any changes except for the required ones (google.xml, Bloglines) on 1.9.2.

If you do not wish to make any changes, let us know, and we'll only work on removing Bloglines.

Thanks!

Comment 1

[Seth Bindernagel]

Bloglines still remains in your 1.9.2 repository.  Please prepare a patch to remove it. 

Also, if you have any productization changes to make for Firefox 4, like the Bing suggestion listed in comment 0, please provide a patch to make that change on l10n-central.  Thank you.

Comment 2

[Enrique Estévez Fernández]

Sorry Seth,

we are preparing the patch (I hope we could do it well, cause we never do this before).

There are some changes in live bookmarks cause some galician websites are down and other ones takes importance in the latest months.

I think this afternoon we could have something to send to here.

Comment 3

[Seth Bindernagel]

OK, just attach the patch when ready and request me as the person to do the review of your patch.  Thanks.

Comment 4

[Enrique Estévez Fernández]

Attachment: Firefox productization for Galician language (version 2.0)

Here is the patch to change search engines, drop bloglines and netvibes from protocol handlers.

Take notice that I have changed the search engines by sorting them as
Google, Yahoo, Bing, Drag (Galician dictionary), Toupa (galician book market), Wikipedia in galician, creative commons and ebay spain.

Comment 5

[Enrique Estévez Fernández]

Ok, with the last patch we have changed search engines and protocol handlers. But, how can we change the "live bookmarks" to change BBC to our local diaries?

I really appreciate your comments in this thing.

Comment 6

[Seth Bindernagel]

I cannot approve this patch yet because you are doing a number of things with the search plugins and RSS readers that haven't been discussed in this bug.  

To summarize what you'd like to do:

Searchplugins:
1)  Remove Amazon
2)  Add Dicconario RAG
3)  Add Toupa

RSS:
1)  Remove Netvibes
2)  Remove Bloglines
3)  Translate "My Yahoo"

For search plugins, can you start by describing what the two services are that you'd like to include?  Dictionary seems obvious, but just spell it out clearly for us.  Toupa as well.  We'll need to try to keep a balance of 2 General Purpose Search - 2 eCommerce - 2 Specific Interest search providers in your version.

And, why are you removing Netvibes?  Not sure why you would need to remove that from this as they are still in business and some of your users might be using it or want to use it.

Finally, if we decide on adding these search engines, we will need to get a written confirmation from the search provider approving our decision.  Can you work on finding the contact information from the search providers you would like to include?  

Thanks for working on this.

Comment 7

[Seth Bindernagel]

(In reply to comment #5)
> Ok, with the last patch we have changed search engines and protocol handlers.
> But, how can we change the "live bookmarks" to change BBC to our local diaries?

Live Bookmarks can be changed by filing a separate bug.  If you want to do that, file a new bug here:  

https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/enter_bug.cgi?product=Mozilla%20Localizations

Component is Galician.  Make the initial comment what exactly you are considering and we can start the conversation there.

Comment 8

[Enrique Estévez Fernández]

Sorry for the delay.

Discussed in the list and have not been many agreements.

http://www.mozdev.org/pipermail/galician/2010-November/001012.html

We can do the changes in those settings that you told to us, because there isn't a definitely consensus between the galician Mozilla community, we only got two final options for search engines.

Searchplugins:

Add -> http://gl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galizionario

keep -> http://gl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portada

RSS: We do nothing.

By now we don't have time to take a consensus for the rest.
Maybe in the next version.
We will keep the actual preferences. Thanks for your awesome help

Greetings.

Comment 9

[Seth Bindernagel]

Can you prepare the Galician wikipedia search plugin please and attach that new XML file to this bug for a review?  This might be a good reference for you:

http://hg.mozilla.org/l10n-central/es-ES/file/default/browser/searchplugins/wikipedia-es.xml

We will need this ASAP as we are closing in on FF4.

Comment 10

[Enrique Estévez Fernández]

Attachment: search plugin of galician (modified)

I've seen the example of "search plugin"in Spanish. I've checked the plugin we have now, and are equal. I simply changed the description tag. Translating the contents of the tag.

Comment 11

[Seth Bindernagel]

Comment on attachment 513233 [details]
search plugin of galician (modified)

Can you submit this to me as a diff output from your local repository?  I will need to see that rather than the straight XML file.  If you have any questions about why I mean by "diff output" just let me know.

Comment 12

[Enrique Estévez Fernández]

Attachment: diff output from your local repository

It is well with the diff.

Comment 13

[Axel Hecht [:Pike]]

Comment on attachment 513249 [details] [diff] [review]
diff output from your local repository

This diff landed as part of http://hg.mozilla.org/l10n-central/gl/rev/b966fa33dcc0, fwiw.

Putting an explicit review request on Seth, too.

Comment 14

[Staś Małolepszy :stas]

Comment on attachment 513249 [details] [diff] [review]
diff output from your local repository

r=me post hoc.

Comment 15

[Enrique Estévez Fernández]

How is the bug? I have to do more?

Help me.

Thanks.

Comment 16

[Seth Bindernagel]

I don't think that many of the points made in comment #6 have been resolved.  We cannot close this bug yet, unless you do not want to make the changes you suggested.

(In reply to comment #6)
> I cannot approve this patch yet because you are doing a number of things with
> the search plugins and RSS readers that haven't been discussed in this bug.  
> 
> To summarize what you'd like to do:
> 
> Searchplugins:
> 1)  Remove Amazon
> 2)  Add Dicconario RAG
> 3)  Add Toupa
> 
> RSS:
> 1)  Remove Netvibes
> 2)  Remove Bloglines
> 3)  Translate "My Yahoo"
> 
> For search plugins, can you start by describing what the two services are that
> you'd like to include?  Dictionary seems obvious, but just spell it out clearly
> for us.  Toupa as well.  We'll need to try to keep a balance of 2 General
> Purpose Search - 2 eCommerce - 2 Specific Interest search providers in your
> version.
> 
> And, why are you removing Netvibes?  Not sure why you would need to remove that
> from this as they are still in business and some of your users might be using
> it or want to use it.
> 
> Finally, if we decide on adding these search engines, we will need to get a
> written confirmation from the search provider approving our decision.  Can you
> work on finding the contact information from the search providers you would
> like to include?  
> 
> Thanks for working on this.

Comment 17

[Enrique Estévez Fernández]

As you know I'm a rookie.

As I said in comment #8, we do not agree that rss should go. With respect to the search engines, leave everything as is.

If possible, could enter the following search engine, galizionario. But I do not think we have time to try and request permission.

We want to have official version of Firefox 4 in Galician.

Later, we will customize Firefox with your help.

You can close the bug.

Thanks.

Comment 18

[Seth Bindernagel]

Thank you.  I missed comment 8 as I was scrolling back to make sure we had taken care of all the business.  If your wikipedia plugin is fixed, then we can resolve this fixed.

Comment 19

[Enrique Estévez Fernández]

Thanks all.