62601 - Set up wwwtest.mozilla.org

Status: VERIFIED WONTFIX

(mozilla.org Graveyard :: Server Operations, task, P3)

Description

[Gervase Markham [:gerv]]

We are in the early stages of formulating a plan to reorganise 
the content on www.mozilla.org. This may well involve setting up a second 
"machine" with the reorganised site on it, for testing purposes (we are going to 
spank it very hard.) 

This is a request to Server Operations to create wwwtest.mozilla.org. It could 
be an alias for a directory on the current machine, or a new machine. Whatever's 
easiest. There just needs to be something which _appears_ to be a machine 
running a webserver and an FTP server (_not_ a CVS server) for uploads. The load 
on it is not expected to be very high.

We are hoping to do this over the weekend of the 16/17th December. If this 
deadline cannot be met, please let us know as soon as possible :-)

Gerv

Comment 1

[Gervase Markham [:gerv]]

CCing some of what might be the right people (at a guess.)

There isn't an "urgency" field, but consider it set to "fairly high" :-)

Gerv

Comment 2

[Ben Bucksch (:BenB)]

Gerv, can't we just use any webhost provider? If someone (mozilla.org?) donates
10$/month, we can set it up at a normal provider. Should be more cost effective.
Would be fast, too.

Comment 3

[Gervase Markham [:gerv]]

We could do; the two things I am concerned about are:

a) We need somewhere which isn't a subdirectory, i.e. relative links of the form 
A HREF="/index.html"> must still work.
b) Bandwidth - we want decent bandwidth, with no-one paying per megabyte.

Given that this request _should_ be a couple of lines of change in a config file 
and a run of the "mkdir" command, I don't see why it can't be done before the 
weekend.

Gerv

Comment 4

[Ben Bucksch (:BenB)]

> a) We need somewhere which isn't a subdirectory, i.e. relative links of the form
> A HREF="/index.html"> must still work.
> b) Bandwidth - we want decent bandwidth, with no-one paying per megabyte.

he.net: all the badnwidth you need, virtual host, 10$/month for 500MB, 25$ for
10GB. The latter should really be enough in any case.

Comment 5

[Jacob Steenhagen]

Another advantage to having mozilla.org set it up is the config can/will be
identical (with the exception of CVS [for now, at least]).  This is very useful
in making sure that idosyncrosies don't creep in and then kill you when the
design goes live.

Comment 6

[Risto Kotalampi]

I want to link this to bug 13866. I can set up the server to tegu, we can have 
CNAME wwwtest (or whatever) pointing to it. Then when everything is ready we 
just move CNAME www to point to it.

There's related bug about moving lists under mailman (lists.mozilla.org) & new 
newsgroup architecture.

I don't like ideas of outsourcing www.mozilla.org. You've forgot that most of 
the ISPs offering web sites also have traffic limitations which they can't 
handle with these cheap rates.

Comment 7

[Gervase Markham [:gerv]]

Risto - I don't want to sound doubtful, but bug 13866 has been open for a year 
and two months. Are you sure that we'll get this by the weekend? :-)

It really shouldn't be all that big a deal, either in the set-up or the 
resources consumed - not many people will be using it.

Gerv

Comment 8

[Risto Kotalampi]

Completion of bug 13866 doesn't happen to have before you are ready to swing 
www.mozilla.org to new site.

Comment 9

[Gervase Markham [:gerv]]

We want wwwtest.mozilla.org to hack around new site ideas on. 
We plan to do said hacking this coming weekend. 
So, we really need wwwtest set up (on whatever box) by this weekend. :-)
Is this going to be possible?

Gerv

Comment 10

[Risto Kotalampi]

I don't know if I understand completely what you want. Correct me if I am 
wrong.. this is what I could easily have done by weekend:
a) have apache server doc root on tegu.mozilla.org where I check out 
automatically docs from cvs from certain branch
b) have wwwtest.mozilla.org pointing to that server

We could do this very easily with virtual web server on gila, too (where 
current www runs) but I'd rather move it to new server so that when you're 
done, all we need to do is to switch DNS, and shut down old server.

What else you mean by "hacking"?

Comment 11

[David Krause]

Has a place for this been found yet?  I might be able to host this on yoda, but
I really don't like to run ftp since passwords are sent in the clear.  Yoda is
the bot box where oopsbot and techbot run and several people (Hixie, timeless,
rufus,and others) already have accounts there.  How much disk space is needed?

Comment 12

[Hixie (not reading bugmail)]

Gerv: If you need something to hack on I can set up www.mozilla.damowmow.com 
with SCP access for free; just drop me a line on sunday morning and I should 
have it set up within a few minutes. I refuse to use cleartext passwords and 
FTP, though, it would have to be SSH/SCP. (I presume the new site is going to 
use SSIs and .htaccess files, which is no problem.)

Or we could register www.mozilla-test.org for these purposes. ;-)

Comment 13

[Risto Kotalampi]

I don't want to be on the way here (I'm unclear of what you really want)... 
moving this to nobody and anyone can take it from there. 

Comment 14

[Gervase Markham [:gerv]]

I think that the plans in n.p.m.documentation have got to the stage that we are 
going to be fixing every problem with the site, rather than my original "Apply a 
few Band-Aids" plan. So, this bug should probably go into hibernation until we 
actually work out what we are doing :-)

Gerv

Comment 15

[Gervase Markham [:gerv]]

WONTFIX - we are using Digital Creations' Zope servers for testing :-)

Gerv

Comment 16

[Ben Bucksch (:BenB)]

vrfy