Closed Bug 746331 Opened 14 years ago Closed 14 years ago

Change the BrowserID login failed message.

Categories

(bugzilla.mozilla.org :: General, defect)

Product:
bugzilla.mozilla.org
Component:
General
Version:
Production
Platform:
x86
macOS
Type:
defect
Priority:
Not set
Severity:
normal

Tracking

()

Status:
RESOLVED FIXED

People

(Reporter: ygjb, Assigned: dkl)

Details

Privileged accounts see the following on a browserid auth: I'm afraid you will have to log in using the conventional method. (BrowserID logins are disabled for accounts which are members of certain particularly sensitive groups, while we gain experience with the technology.) Please change this to: Your account's privilege level is too high for BrowserID...
what are your concerns with the current message?
Currently it says: Your account's macho studliness is too much for BrowserID It is thought that this might be inappropriate for some audiences and changing the wording would avoid any possible discussions. dkl
Assignee: nobody → dkl
Status: NEW → ASSIGNED
I've had at least one person suggest they thought it was amusing :-) It's very much in this vein of humour: http://munchkin.wikia.com/wiki/Potion_of_General_Studliness (Great game that, BTW.) I think people understand it's poking gentle fun at people who do things like this: http://www.juranring.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/arnie-2.jpg Gerv
i've had more than one person state they like it; i also like the current message. to be clear the full message is: > Your account's macho studliness is too much for BrowserID. I'm afraid you > will have to log in using the conventional method. > > (BrowserID logins are disabled for accounts which are members of certain > particularly sensitive groups, while we gain experience with the > technology.) i'm unclear if yvan's concern is with the first part of the message, or the second. from his description i would guess it's the *second* part of the message which he's concerned about, as he didn't quote the first part in comment 0.
Yes, perhaps we should wait for Yvan to clarify! But if he is objecting to the specific nature of the message (on the principle of "don't say while logins are denied"), that cat's out of the bag a bit - I gave even more details in a public blog post: http://blog.gerv.net/2012/04/bugzilla-mozilla-org-browserid/ Gerv
Simple: despite the humour found in the concept of "macho", it is directly related the issue that has turned into a huge messy discussion on governance. I don't see the need to add fuel to the fire. We should change the error message or insert humour that isn't based on gender.
I think it would be sad if the governance discussion meant that we could no longer use any humour at all. Mitchell did warn specifically about humour involving violence, but this is not in that category. Gerv
*sigh* Your account's amazing awesomeness is too much for BrowserID. I'm afraid you will have to log in using the conventional method. (BrowserID logins are disabled for accounts which are members of certain particularly sensitive groups, while we gain experience with the technology.)
Thanks Byron, works for me.
(In reply to Byron Jones ‹:glob› from comment #8) > Your account's amazing awesomeness is too much for BrowserID. I'm afraid you > will have to log in using the conventional method. Gerv, with your approval I will commit this change in the proper places. dkl
Gerv: I am not opposed to humour, and since you brought up her comments on violence, Mitchell also wrote: "I would also say jokes about gender roles are extremely sensitive and very likely to cause problems."
This is not a joke about gender roles, or even about gender. Women bodybuild as well (and one can produce equally silly pictures of them posing after doing so). This is equal-opportunity humour :-) Perhaps it's your own mental perception of fixed gender roles which is causing you to interpret it that way? I say that only half as a joke. Does the Potion of General Studliness make Munchkin a discriminatory or offensive game? If demand for this kind of change is what is to come in the new Code of Conduct-ruled Mozilla world, and where we have to change things even when no-one has even claimed they are offended, then Mozilla will be a greyer place in the future. Gerv
Gerv: I am not going to discuss the code of conduct and that bit any further on this bug. If you have a concern with my request that we change this, take it to the CoC discussion and use this as a concrete example of your concerns. My perspective is that the error message "Your account's macho studliness is too much for BrowserID", while humorous should be replaced by something that doesn't relate to gender roles; if it can't be, then it with a generic message.
Regardless of whether or not there are gender issues, I think there are usability issues. If I got that message I would have no idea that "macho studliness" and "amazing awesomeness" meant "account's privilege level". (I'm not sure I'd know what "account privilege level" meant either.) I'd suggest asking the UX team for wording.
Macho does relate to the male gender, even in the literal translation. http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/macho
I was using in in sense 2) on that list, which does not. Gerv
Even if the literal means, "male"? Origin: 1925–30, Americanism < Spanish: literally, male < Latin masculus; see masculine
i agree the current message has issues with respect to readability for people who speak english as a second language. can we please take the discussion about gender issues to a different forum.
I only see this as a possibility of not translating correctly.
dkl, let's go with the following message (proposed by yvan on #ux): Your account is a member of a group which is not permitted to use BrowserID to log in. Please log in with your Bugzilla username and password.
I have changed the message in BMO only. I will leave the upstream BrowserID code as-is as Gerv maintains that separately. Committing to: bzr+ssh://dlawrence%40mozilla.com@bzr.mozilla.org/bmo/4.0 modified extensions/BrowserID/template/en/default/hook/global/user-error-errors.html.tmpl Committed revision 8146 Committing to: bzr+ssh://dlawrence%40mozilla.com@bzr.mozilla.org/bmo/4.2 modified extensions/BrowserID/template/en/default/hook/global/user-error-errors.html.tmpl Committed revision 8130 dkl
Status: ASSIGNED → RESOLVED
Closed: 14 years ago
Resolution: --- → FIXED
There is no point in having the codebases diverge over this issue. Committing to: bzr+ssh://bzr.mozilla.org/bugzilla/extensions/browserid/trunk/ modified template/en/default/hook/global/user-error-errors.html.tmpl Committed revision 12. Gerv
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