791666 - Create mozilla.webmaker.canada.bc discussion forum

Status: RESOLVED FIXED

(mozilla.org :: Discussion Forums, task)

Description

[Emma Irwin]

User Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.7; rv:15.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/15.0.1
Build ID: 20120905151427

Steps to reproduce:

My work with Mozilla Reps on Vancouver Island (BC), has reached the point where a Mozilla dist list would be very beneficial  to connect parents, volunteers (mentors, community leaders), educators, government , and kids  for purpose of organizing meetups, sharing Mozilla's resources in Webmaking, encouraging local leadership (parents creating webmaker clubs)  .    This was an outcome of a most recent event I organized:  victoriapopcorn.tumblr.com/

Comment 1

[Emma Irwin]

Wondering what the estimated time would be for a response?  Thanks

Comment 2

[Henrik Mitsch [:hmitsch]]

Dear Pierros,

can you please help Emma kickstart this IT request. She is requesting is a discussion forum in the form of:

mozilla.webmaker.BC

The reason is that she is looking for a distribution list specifically tailored to the needs of Webmakers from British Columbia, Canada.

Is this possible?

Best regards,
   Henrik

Comment 3

[Henrik Mitsch [:hmitsch]]

Hi Emma,

has there been any progress on this IT request? If no, I'd suggest you reach out to Pierros to remind him of this request.

Best regards,
   Henrik

Comment 4

[Emma Irwin]

thanks will do!

Comment 5

[Majken Connor [:Kensie]]

Hmm I thought I saw this moved to a different component. ccing Gerv, I believe he handles lists and will know where to put it.

Comment 6

[Gervase Markham [:gerv]]

Hi Emma,

I'm sure we can figure out something :-) But we have to be careful creating new lists; a distressingly large proportion get created and then don't get used, but just hang around collecting spam and confusing people. So a few questions:

- Are there any existing lists which you might be able to use? For example, there is a mozilla.community.canada list which doesn't seem over-used at the moment.

- Is it your intention to restrict this list solely to the Webmaker program, or will it also include Reps stuff, or general Mozilla stuff? If it's more general, we might want to do mozilla.community.something rather than mozilla.webmaker.something.

- Is there really enough activity in BC such that it requires a whole list to itself? :-) If we are going Webmaker-only, the other option is mozilla.webmaker.canada.

- ".bc" looks too much like a country code (we have several groups, e.g. localization groups, named after country codes). Perhaps ".canada.bc" would be OK?

Gerv

Comment 7

[Emma Irwin]

Hi Gerv, 

The focus of this list is webmaking, web literacy, digital literacy in my community of Victoria.  The list would include all those people I am individually emailing (and so need this list to bring everyone together)  They are:
1) Programmers
2) Educational Technologists)
3) Open Data (BC) 
4) Ministry of Education (BC)
5) Mozilla Employees ( x 2)
6) Mozilla Rep (me)
7) Parents of kids from our webmaker events (many)
8) Teachers
 mozilla.community.canada seems too generic.   I truly think we need the webmaker definition, especially for parents/teachers who might not identify with generic mozilla list (and be confused by other information posted there ie: derby in toronto)

- Yes, my intention is to use the list solely to Webmaker program
- I think there is potential for a lot of activity in BC (although we're starting in Victoria BC I wanted to include potential for province)
- webmaker.bc.canada ?  

  We are ahead of the curve a bit on this, and so I expect that there will be similar requests down the line for regional webmaker lists, to be potentially handled by a web-based (organic) group site?  Michelle Thorne mentioned something like this (I think it was Michelle)

Comment 8

[Emma Irwin]

I also forgot on my list of people
1) Girls in Technology Group (BC)

Comment 9

[Majken Connor [:Kensie]]

Some other good info for the bug:

Are you expecting group discussions among all these groups? Some of the ones you listed seem better suited to a newsletter where they can email 1:1 questions rather than following the whole group, eg parents.

Or have you identified these parents as interested in being part of the group?

Comment 10

[Emma Irwin]

Yes group discussions among all these groups.
No newsletter - discussion , meetups.

Parents are interested in things like web literacy curriculum (which I am developing) and in leading their own clubs in the community.

Comment 11

[Emma Irwin]

Sorry to be a pest, but wondering how this is going?
I want to organize a meetup for just after mozfest - and would love to get everyone on the list prior to then  .

Comment 12

[Gervase Markham [:gerv]]

I'm happy to approve mozilla.webmaker.canada.bc (getting more specific as you go along, as is normal). If you are OK with that, assign this bug to [e-mail]. If you don't like the name, you'll need to wait until I get back from my op to discuss it more :-)

Gerv

Comment 13

[Emma Irwin]

yay!!  Thanks Gerv!

Comment 14

[Emma Irwin]

Will this be enabled soon, or what are the next steps?  thanks

Comment 15

[Majken Connor [:Kensie]]

Adding the approved notations, hopefully this gets the right eyes over here!

Comment 16

[Pierros Papadeas [:pierros]]

Hey Gerv,
I did change the assignee. But no response. How can we get this moving forward? Thanks!

Comment 17

[Gervase Markham [:gerv]]

It's now in the right product and component (thanks, Reed) and correctly assigned to server-ops, who should be picking it up soon...

Gerv

Comment 18

[Michael Burns [:mburns]]

This list has been created [1] and GigaNews should add it shortly. If this isn't working by Monday afternoon, I'll contact Google directly.

Admin credentials will be sent in an email shortly.


[1] https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/webmaker-canada-bc/

Comment 19

[Emma Irwin]

Thank you!

I haven't recieved admin cred yet.

Comment 20

[Michael Burns [:mburns]]

I've sent you a backup email with the admin credentials.

Giganews has responded today, and they've added the list. Google Groups hasn't, so I've sent them a polite email requesting they do.

Comment 21

[Emma Irwin]

I'm not seeing Google Groups pick this up yet, any update?  thanks :)

Comment 22

[Emma Irwin]

sorry, users are having issues posting as well (in response) .  advice?

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Comment 23

[Gervase Markham [:gerv]]

Hi Emma,

There was a problem with corruption in mailman which got fixed over the weekend. Could you give it another go and see if things have improved?

Gerv

Comment 24

[Emma Irwin]

Thanks Gerv, I haven't had any other complaints since this one.
Any idea how long Google Groups normally takes to pick up the group though?

Comment 25

[Michael Burns [:mburns]]

Emma,

We had word that Google Groups had this (and the few other not-working newsgroups) in their que for fixing, with pushes traditionally going live Monday. Seems like they were still backlogged on the 26th, so finger crossed for Dec 3rd, I suppose.

Comment 26

[Emma Irwin]

 thankyou for the follow up!

Comment 27

[Michael Burns [:mburns]]

Google has not made it clear when the data import of new groups will happen, but we have confirmed we are in the batch ready to go on their system. Since I have no action available, I'm going to close this bug out for my end. We are still trying to contact google, but don't they will be making changes until the new year.

Bug 716007 is tracking the general problem.

https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups#!forum/mozilla.webmaker.canada.bc

Comment 28

[Michael Burns [:mburns]]

Replication to Google Groups is working, fyi. https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups#!forum/mozilla.webmaker.canada.bc

Comment 29

[Emma Irwin]

thank you!