822663 - Translation of Firefox OS market research study for additional locales

Status: RESOLVED FIXED

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Description

[Milos Dinic [:Milos]]

Attachment: Questionnaire

See Bug 814482 for more info.

These are priority 2/3 locales/countries we need translated until January 4th 2012.

Just a note: I have hid the lines you don't need to translate.

China(zh-TW, zh-CN)
India(hi-IN)
Indonesia(id)
Malaysia(ms) 
Philippines
Thailand (th)
Vietnam (vi)
Belgium (fr)
Bulgaria (bg)
Croatia (hr)
Finland (fi)
France (fr)
Greece (he)
Italy (it)
Netherlands (nl) 
Russia (ru)
Slovakia (sk)
Sweden (sw)
Turkey (tr)
Ukraine (uk)
Ecuador (es-EC)
Morocco (ar, fr)
Nigeria (en)
Tunisia (ar)
Japan (ja)
Singapore (en, ms)
Taiwan (zh-TW)
Austria (de)
Germany (de)
Ireland (ga-IE,en)
Portugal (pt-PT)
Romania (ro)
Serbia (sr)

Comment 1

[Patrick Finch]

Thanks Milos.  Any questions can be directed to me.

For rows 216-227 and rows 230-241, please could you do two things:

1. make a rough calculation of what the equivalent amount would be in your local currency (using a recent exchange rate, xe.com is a good resource).  This does not mean that you need to try to work out what is an equivalent income for the same kind of job etc, but the same amount (for example, GBP 2,499 works out at around eur 3,000 ).

2. put the new amounts in the appropriate way that you represent currency for your locale.


For countries in the eurozone, you don't need to do step #1, as you can use these amounts:

Line 227 - line 238


0 – 2.999 €
3.000 – 5.999 €
6.000 – 8.999 €
10.000 – 12.499 €
12.500 – 14.999 €
15.000 – 18.999 €
19.000 – 24.999 €
25.000 – 29.999 €
30.000 – 36.999 €
37.000 – 49.999 €
50.000 – 59.000 €
More than 60.000 €


Line 241-252

0 – 299 €
300 – 599 €
600 – 899 €
1.000 – 1.249 €
1.250 – 1.499 €
1.500 – 1.899 €
1.900 – 2.499 €
2.500 – 2.999 €
3.000 – 3.699 €
3.700 – 4.999 €
5.000 – 5.900 €
More than 6.000 €


But please do make sure the format looks appropriate for your locale.

Comment 2

[Peter Pin-Guang Chen [:petercpg] (MozTW.org)]

Hi Patrick and Milos, 

Couple of questions:

1) Please make another zh-HK version if we want to do this survey in Hong Kong or Macau. While HK and MO people use Traditional Chinese but the currencies and terms included in zh-TW version is different and would make these users confuse, getting biased results. 
For Mainland China simply use zh-CN version of survey is good enough, IMO.

2) For line 209-213, would respondents also answer these incomes in local currency?

Comment 3

[Patrick Finch]

(In reply to Peter Pin-Guang Chen [:petercpg] (MozTW.org) from comment #2)

Hi Peter,

> Couple of questions:
> 
> 1) Please make another zh-HK version if we want to do this survey in Hong
> Kong or Macau. While HK and MO people use Traditional Chinese but the
> currencies and terms included in zh-TW version is different and would make
> these users confuse, getting biased results. 
> For Mainland China simply use zh-CN version of survey is good enough, IMO.

We are not doing Hong Kong or Macau - just China and Taiwan.  We do need zh-TW and zh-CN.

> 2) For line 209-213, would respondents also answer these incomes in local
> currency?

Yes we need to make sure it is set up properly.  Respondents will be presented the list of amounts in local currency - we need to localise for every country in the big (see the first comment where Milos files the bug).  We have many narrow bands to make it more relevant to more markets, but we also ask them to specify.  I need to check if they will get a drop-down list of currencies or if it will present them with their native currency.  Thanks for asking!

Comment 4

[Peter Pin-Guang Chen [:petercpg] (MozTW.org)]

(In reply to Patrick Finch from comment #3)
> (In reply to Peter Pin-Guang Chen [:petercpg] (MozTW.org) from comment #2)
> 
> Hi Peter,
> 
> > Couple of questions:
> > 
> > 1) Please make another zh-HK version if we want to do this survey in Hong
> > Kong or Macau. While HK and MO people use Traditional Chinese but the
> > currencies and terms included in zh-TW version is different and would make
> > these users confuse, getting biased results. 
> > For Mainland China simply use zh-CN version of survey is good enough, IMO.
> 
> We are not doing Hong Kong or Macau - just China and Taiwan.  We do need
> zh-TW and zh-CN.

Ah, as you should have already known but please keep in mind that do not include zh-TW (or mentioning Taiwan) within China, or this might raise a SERIOUS political problem.

> 
> > 2) For line 209-213, would respondents also answer these incomes in local
> > currency?
> 
> Yes we need to make sure it is set up properly.  Respondents will be
> presented the list of amounts in local currency - we need to localise for
> every country in the big (see the first comment where Milos files the bug). 
> We have many narrow bands to make it more relevant to more markets, but we
> also ask them to specify.  I need to check if they will get a drop-down list
> of currencies or if it will present them with their native currency.  Thanks
> for asking!

Thanks for explaining, zh-TW version will come up in few minutes :)

Comment 5

[Peter Pin-Guang Chen [:petercpg] (MozTW.org)]

Attachment: Traditional Chinese version of survey (zh-TW)

For the telecom list, there are more than 5 GSM/3G operators in Taiwan so I only included the 5 major companies in line 182-186. Some minor operators are MVNOs and are listed in line 246-249.
Other service provides such as PHS, WiMax, and pagers are not included in this file.

Comment 6

[Michael Köhler [:Coce]]

Attachment: German (de) translation of the survey

Here’s the German version of the survey. Thanks to Kadir, who provided numerous fixes.

Is it possible to see the complete survey somewhere (staging page)?

Comment 7

[Alexander L. Slovesnik]

Attachment: Russian (ru) translation of the survey

Comment 8

[Dirkjan Ochtman (:djc)]

Started Dutch (nl) translation here:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AjgkRw6P9EKGdGFpcElxWHVnNnBUeFprVFhtV3JlSWc

Comment 9

[Hao Shen]

Attachment: Simplified Chinese (zh-CN) translation of the survey

Comment 10

[Alfred Kayser]

Attachment: Complete NL translation

Comment 11

[Ton [:Tonnes]]

Attachment: Complete NL translation v2

Basically Alfred’s version, checked for errors, grammar, consistency, etc.

Comment 12

[Milos Dinic [:Milos]]

Locales update(removed those who submitted translated file):

India(hi-IN)
Indonesia(id)
Malaysia(ms) 
Philippines
Thailand (th)
Vietnam (vi)
Belgium (fr)
Bulgaria (bg)
Croatia (hr)
Finland (fi)
France (fr)
Greece (he)
Italy (it)
Slovakia (sk)
Sweden (sw)
Turkey (tr)
Ukraine (uk)
Japan (ja)
Singapore (en, ms)
Portugal (pt-PT)
Romania (ro)
Serbia (sr)

Comment 13

[Patrick Finch]

(In reply to Milos Dinic [:Milos] from comment #12)
> Locales update(removed those who submitted translated file):
> 
> India(hi-IN)
> Indonesia(id)
> Malaysia(ms) 
> Philippines
> Thailand (th)
> Vietnam (vi)
> Belgium (fr)
> Bulgaria (bg)
> Croatia (hr)
> Finland (fi)
> France (fr)
> Greece (he)
> Italy (it)
> Slovakia (sk)
> Sweden (sw)
> Turkey (tr)
> Ukraine (uk)
> Japan (ja)
> Singapore (en, ms)
> Portugal (pt-PT)
> Romania (ro)
> Serbia (sr)

I think there's a couple of errors there:


Sweden (sv)
Greece (el)

Comment 14

[Patrick Finch]

India(hi-IN)
Indonesia(id)
Malaysia(ms) 
Philippines
Thailand (th)
Vietnam (vi)
Belgium (fr)
Bulgaria (bg)
Croatia (hr)
Finland (fi)
France (fr)
Greece (el)
Italy (it)
Slovakia (sk)
Sweden (sv)
Turkey (tr)
Ukraine (uk)
Japan (ja)
Singapore (en, ms)
Portugal (pt-PT)
Romania (ro)
Serbia (sr)

Comment 15

[arky [:arky]]

Will try to reach out to the locale teams here in SE. Asia. BTW Philippines is Tagalog(tl)

Comment 16

[Spyros]

Attachment: Greek (el) translation of the survey

I think it's a pretty good translation, but if you have any correction please edit the file and send it again. :)

Comment 17

[Ahmed Nefzaoui [:Nefzaoui]]

Attachment: ar-TN translation (Arabic Tunisia)

Ready : ar-TN translation (Arabic Tunisia)

Comment 18

[Ton [:Tonnes]]

(In reply to Patrick Finch from comment #1)
> For countries in the eurozone, you don't need to do step #1, as you can use
> these amounts:
> 
> Line 227 - line 238
> 
> 0 – 2.999 €
> 3.000 – 5.999 € etc.
> But please do make sure the format looks appropriate for your locale.

Not sure if this is true for all eurozone locales, but most of them will probably use € 3.000 – 5.999 etc.

(In reply to Patrick Finch from comment #14)
> Belgium (fr)
> France (fr)

I’ve never seen any special localizations for Belgium (fr) so far, so this might very well become a copy of French (fr) and get skipped from the list. I guess the French l10n team can tell.

Comment 19

[arky [:arky]]

One remark about text. Now is:
Which of the logos below have you heard of or seen before today?
And which of these logos below have you heard of or seen before today?

I think should be:

Which of the logos below have you heard of or seen before today?
And which of these brands below have you heard of or seen before today?


Few comments from the reps-general mailing list: https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups=#!topic/mozilla.reps.general/32k16PbTJGg

Comment 20

[Théo Chevalier]

(In reply to Ton from comment #18)
> (In reply to Patrick Finch from comment #14)
> > Belgium (fr)
> > France (fr)
> 
> I’ve never seen any special localizations for Belgium (fr) so far, so this
> might very well become a copy of French (fr) and get skipped from the list.
> I guess the French l10n team can tell.

I confirm, Belgium will use fr translation. I will attach Fr translation in minutes.

Comment 21

[arky [:arky]]

Milos, Perhaps few SE Asian locales will not make the deadline.

Comment 22

[Théo Chevalier]

Attachment: French (fr) translation of the survey

If there is a problem with the file, please tell me, or you can import it from here https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AmldDgijIIHsdDZtUXdfX1QtdVZfNzdHcEhIS1Q0ZlE#gid=0

Comment 23

[SRIHARI]

For india(hi-IN) is referring to Hindi language.
India is a multi lingual country. Hindi is largest spoken language with 40% of population. Other major languages - Telugu, tamil, Marathi,Kannada, Gujarathi,oriya, malayalam. There are other wide spread languages too. A phone made with only one of these languages only can not reach all.

Comment 24

[Oskar Ivanić (:icecold)]

Attachment: Serbian (sr) translation of the survey

Comment 25

[Viking KARWUR]

@patrickfinch : I can help for Bahasa Indonesia :)

Comment 26

[Trung Ngo]

Attachment: Vietnamese (vi) translation of the survey

Comment 27

[Théo Chevalier]

Attachment: French (fr) translation of the survey v2

Revised fr translation (Thanks Goofy!)

Comment 28

[core]

Russian (v1) http://files.moka.co/4580-Questionnaire-Template-Russian.xls
Please make sure that there will be extra checks and reviews by other contributors, as I am not a professional translator, but believe that this is fairly good translation.

Comment 29

[core]

Attachment: Another version to be reviewed of Russian translation.

Another version to be reviewed of Russian translation.
Have to be reviewed both to get best out of them.

Comment 30

[marc]

Attachment: Another french translation

Comment 31

[marc]

Sorry, I redid all the pound to euros conversion. And didn't find the exact same values, by the way...

(In reply to marc from comment #30)
> Created attachment 697165 [details]
> Another french translation

Comment 32

[[e-mail]]

Attachment: Italian (it) translation of the survey

Comment 33

[Patrick Finch]

(In reply to SRIHARI from comment #23)
> For india(hi-IN) is referring to Hindi language.
> India is a multi lingual country. Hindi is largest spoken language with 40%
> of population. Other major languages - Telugu, tamil, Marathi,Kannada,
> Gujarathi,oriya, malayalam. There are other wide spread languages too. A
> phone made with only one of these languages only can not reach all.

Thanks - this isn't about what language the phone will be in, it's about conducting marketing research for familiarity with the brand.  Would Hindi or English be most appropriate?

Comment 34

[Patrick Finch]

(In reply to Viking KARWUR from comment #25)
> @patrickfinch : I can help for Bahasa Indonesia :)

Thanks Viking, that would be great.

Comment 35

[fisurvey]

Attachment: Finnish (fi) translation of the survey

I'm not a professional translator at all, but this should hopefully be mostly okayish.

Comment 36

[Luca]

Attachment: Another (It) Italian translation of the survey

Hoping this could help ... Luca

Comment 37

[SRIHARI]

(In reply to Patrick Finch from comment #33)
> (In reply to SRIHARI from comment #23)
> > For india(hi-IN) is referring to Hindi language.
> > India is a multi lingual country. Hindi is largest spoken language with 40%
> > of population. Other major languages - Telugu, tamil, Marathi,Kannada,
> > Gujarathi,oriya, malayalam. There are other wide spread languages too. A
> > phone made with only one of these languages only can not reach all.
> 
> Thanks - this isn't about what language the phone will be in, it's about
> conducting marketing research for familiarity with the brand.  Would Hindi
> or English be most appropriate?

Ok. got it. Most of the brands they start with English first and later go to the individual regional languages. As i said Hindi covers maximum 40% of India, rest is covered by the regional languages.

Comment 38

[a.sara.coutinho]

Attachment: Portugal (pt-PT) translation of the survey

Portuguese version of the questionnaire attached.

In the future, it would be useful to have the type of form field (checkbox, radio-button, input text) for the user response to each question, in order to have better context for the translation.

E.g.: "For each of the following, please state whether they apply to Firefox."

How does the user respond to this? With radio-buttons, input text, other alternative? This affects the translation, as this question can have multiple replies - yes, they apply to Firefox; no, they don't apply to Firefox; don't know - and the phrasing might change, depending on the options.

Comment 39

[Yoe One Ariestya Niovitta]

Attachment: Indonesian (id) translation of the survey

This is the document that translate Indonesian version.

Comment 40

[Cristian Silaghi]

Attachment: Romanian (ro) translation of the survey

I added my Romanian translation! ;)

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Best Regards,
Cristian Silaghi

Comment 41

[Cristian Silaghi]

Attachment: Romanian (ro) translation of the survey

I added Romanian translation again, sorry for my bad.

Best Regards,
Cristian Silaghi

Comment 42

[Raul Nicolae Malea]

Attachment: Romanian (RO) translation vers 2 of the survey

Revised, complemented and corrected version for Romanian translation. Thank you Cristi for your initial version. You is awesome!

Comment 43

[Cristian Silaghi]

Attachment: Romanian (RO) translation for the survey

Romanian (RO) translation version 3 of the survey.

Revised again, fixed some words and misspellings. ;)

---

Best Regards,
Cristian Silaghi

Comment 44

[Raul Nicolae Malea]

Attachment: Romanian (RO) translation vers 4 of the survey (final)

Revised. Fixed words. Final Romanian version.

Comment 45

[mahakjn774]

Attachment: India(hi-IN) Hindi Translation Of the survey.

India(hi-IN) Hindi Translation Of the survey.
This is the document that translate Hindi version.
Check words and misspellings. :)

Comment 46

[Milos Dinic [:Milos]]

Attachment: Croatian translation

Comment 47

[Selim Şumlu]

Attachment: Turkish (tr) translation

Comment 48

[Branislav Rozbora (Mozilla.sk)]

Attachment: Slovak translation

Comment 49

[Bogdancev]

Attachment: Translated questionnair (uk) Ukrainian

Comment 50

[Muhammad Syafiq Mazli]

Attachment: Malay (ms) translation of the survey

Comment 51

[Patrick Finch]

(In reply to Yoe One Ariestya Niovitta from comment #39)
> Created attachment 697866 [details]
> Indonesian (id) translation of the survey
> 
> This is the document that translate Indonesian version.

Thanks - there are two columns with different versions, are these dialects?  How should I represent them?  thanks.

Patrick

Comment 52

[rodin]

(In reply to Patrick Finch from comment #51)
> (In reply to Yoe One Ariestya Niovitta from comment #39)
> > Created attachment 697866 [details]
> > Indonesian (id) translation of the survey
> > 
> > This is the document that translate Indonesian version.
> 
> Thanks - there are two columns with different versions, are these dialects? 
> How should I represent them?  thanks.
> 
> Patrick

Please use the second translation column (Column D). That's the reviewed one.

Romi

Comment 53

[Patrick Finch]

Attachment: Swedish tranlsation

Comment 54

[Patrick Finch]

Attachment: Bulgarian translation

Uploading Bulgarian translation, prepared by Bogo Shopov

Comment 55

[Patrick Finch]

Attachment: Filipino version of the survey

From Bob Reyes of the Philippines community.

Comment 56

[Raul Nicolae Malea]

Locales updates:

Perhaps these is resolved:
Belgium (fr)
Ecuador (es-EC)
Morocco (ar, fr)
Nigeria (en)
Singapore (en, ms)
Austria (de)
Ireland (ga-IE,en)

Need:
Thailand (th)
Japan (ja)
Taiwan (zh-TW)

Comment 57

[Peter Pin-Guang Chen [:petercpg] (MozTW.org)]

(In reply to Raul Malea from comment #56)
> Locales updates:
> 
> Need:
> Taiwan (zh-TW)

File for Taiwan is at Comment 5.

Comment 58

[Patrick Finch]

(In reply to Raul Malea from comment #56)
> Locales updates:
> 
> Perhaps these is resolved:
> Belgium (fr)
> Ecuador (es-EC)
> Morocco (ar, fr)
> Nigeria (en)
> Singapore (en, ms)
> Austria (de)
> Ireland (ga-IE,en)
> 
> Need:
> Thailand (th)
> Japan (ja)
> Taiwan (zh-TW)

Thanks - we needed Thai and Japanese, but we'll freeze for now as this has gone to the vendor.  If it changes, I'll report back to you.

Comment 59

[Mark Heijl]

Why is this bug still open for nl?

Comment 60

[Francesco Lodolo [:flod]]

(sorry for the bugspam) Luigi and Luca
There's a group that takes care (or try) of all Italian translations, all new contributors are more than welcome. 

Next time please let's work together so that we don't waste anyone's efforts ;-) (cfr http://forum.mozillaitalia.org/index.php?topic=57270.0)

Comment 61

[Kohei Yoshino [:kohei]]

Attachment: Japanese (ja) translation

Sorry for the delay, I should notice this earlier.

Comment 62

[Patrick Finch]

Attachment: Flemish

Flemish, attached.

Comment 63

[Patrick Finch]

All translations done.

Comment 64

[Luca]

Thank you, Luca

(In reply to Francesco Lodolo [:flod] from comment #60)
> (sorry for the bugspam) Luigi and Luca
> There's a group that takes care (or try) of all Italian translations, all
> new contributors are more than welcome. 
> 
> Next time please let's work together so that we don't waste anyone's efforts
> ;-) (cfr http://forum.mozillaitalia.org/index.php?topic=57270.0)