84546 - finetuning.com - Incorrect information about Netscape 6/Mozilla's level of XML support

Status: RESOLVED WONTFIX

(Tech Evangelism Graveyard :: English US, defect, P1)

Description

[Heikki Toivonen (remove -bugzilla when emailing directly)]

Somebody noted this in bug 64945.

This belongs in the category of somebody spreading false information about
Netscape 6/Mozilla.

http://www.finetuning.com/finetuningfaq.html

> What's the best XML Browser?
>
> Netscape 6, has little or no XML functionality that isn't
> closely-tied to its application platform, zero XSLT support
> (and apparently serious no plans for adding it), and no
> default view for an XML document. So if you open a file that
> isn't associated with a CSS style sheet, it just dumps the
> text. 
> 
> IE5, on the other hand, is a useful XML Browser from a
> developer's perspective because it provides an easy way to
> access and view XML documents when you are testing or
> debugging them.

They should be told about all the XML things we support, including stuff that IE
does not do (like XLinks), or IE does wrong or poorly (XML parsing - entities
especially, styling XML with CSS, ...). XUL, XBL and RDF might be thought of
being closely tied to application, but even that is slightly off...

Also, it is very clear that there is work going on with XSLT support, and there
is even work going on with the default XML view. Besides, what we do now is
perfectly reasonable and in sync with the CSS spec; we definitely do not just
"dump the text".

Comment 1

[Heikki Toivonen (remove -bugzilla when emailing directly)]

I am not sure if there even is a proper component for things like this. You can
treat this as my personal rant and close this if you think this is inappropriate
for evangelism ;)

Comment 2

[Bob Clary [:bc] (inactive)]

Heikki, I think this is something we should be involved with. Perhaps we can
work together. You help me get a handle on the current and future situation and
I will respond to this one and any others that come down the pike.

Comment 3

[Bob Clary [:bc] (inactive)]

Priority -> P2

Comment 4

[Bob Clary [:bc] (inactive)]

All Evangelism Bugs are now in the Product Tech Evangelism. See bug 86997 for
details.

Comment 5

[Bob Clary [:bc] (inactive)]

bumping target milestone for followups to 0.9.5.

Comment 6

[Bob Clary [:bc] (inactive)]

-> 0.9.6, need to follow up on these asap

Comment 7

[Doron Rosenberg (IBM)]

sadley not fixed. they have a love for xml.com, perhaps contact them with
http://www.xml.com/pub/a/2000/03/29/tutorial/index.html (sadley a bit old),
which has a positive review of old mozilla (still using modern1) xml use.

Comment 8

[Frankie]

Over a year later...

finetuning.com hasn't had any updates since March 2002, and the specific page in
question was last updated in June 2001. Still says Mozilla sucks at XML and XSL.

Contact address is [e-mail]

The best part, IMO, is that although Ms Rein claims to be "Fighting for truth...
justice... a universal syntax...and a universal semantic infrastructure" (aka
XML), she uses neither XML nor XHTML for her web site. Instead, finetuning.com
uses mishmosh HTML with no doctypes, no encoding, and various invalid attributes.

Comment 9

[Christopher Hoess (gone)]

Note that Lisa is blogging at <URL:http://onlisareinsradar.com/>, which is
registered with the same contact info as finetuning.com.

Comment 10

[Heikki Toivonen (remove -bugzilla when emailing directly)]

Here is XML in Mozilla page that I try to keep up to date:

http://www.mozilla.org/newlayout/xml/

Also please note that I have a patch for XPointer support as well, waiting for
reviews.

Comment 11

[Bob Clary [:bc] (inactive)]

contacted.

Comment 12

[Bob Clary [:bc] (inactive)]

Still not fixed. I corresponded with this person and their bias was clear. ->
wontfix