Open Bug 86758 Opened 23 years ago Updated 1 year ago
->aaronl, for the nonce.
Assignee: alecf → aaronl
i don't think this is a dup... there's of course bug 18768, but i don't *think* this should be dupped for that since this isn't asking only for ctrl+alt+S --this one seems more like a general request to find/have a shortcut for toggling the keyboard. okay, i'm rambling...what does aaronl/other folx think of this?
I don't think it's very important to have a keyboard shortcut for toggling the status bar, because it's not done very often, and the option is already keyboard-accessible using menus. If you're trying to get screen extra real-estate, see bug 68136, which would add a full-screen mode. If you're trying to convert pop-up windows into normal browser windows, bug 69099 would let you get a menu bar in a pop-up window by pressing F10 or by getting a context menu and choosing "show menu bar" (normally hidden).
Jesse, you may not use this very often, but I use it frequently both as a web developer and user. I don't see how it harms anything to have a convenient keyboard shortcut to toggle the statusbar. Apparently the developers for Netscape 4.x thought it was pretty important. Contrary to what you say, the option is not available from menus in the exact situation where it's wanted (and as described by this bug). If I understand what's being proposed in bug 69099, I'd have to press F10, down arrow to the appropriate point in the context menu, turn on the menu bar, press Alt+V to trigger the view menu, press down arrow, and right arrow to get to the Hide/Show submenu, and eventually toggle the status bar. And then it's unclear if there'd be any way to turn off the menubar again. Even if the menu items just worked when triggered on Alt, pressing the key sequence Alt+V,W,S is pretty hard to remember. Needless to say, this is not at all convenient.
I agree with Jesse. Alt+V W S is plenty convenient. Yes, it's hard to remember if you don't do it very often. If you do it all the time, it's easy to remember. There's a lot of harm in using up hotkeys for everything. As you can see in http://www.mozilla.org/projects/ui/accessibility/mozkeyplan.html, there are very few hotkeys left. Ctrl+Alt keys are not acceptible, at least in our current thinking. I think some hotkey for full screen mode will suffice.
Status: NEW → RESOLVED
Closed: 23 years ago
Resolution: --- → WONTFIX
Read my comments above about why Alt+V,W,S is unacceptable. This key sequence does exactly nothing when a new window has been launched that has no menus and no statusbar (in build 20010725). This is precisely the case where I want a way to toggle the statusbar ON with the keyboard. Until this happens this bug needs to stay open. REPEAT AFTER ME: This bug is not about full screen mode. To state it again: I want the ability to turn the status bar ON. In Netscape 4 this is easy accomplished with Ctrl+Alt+S, a key combination that is easy to remember and quite simple to execute. Alt+V,W,S is a much slower key sequence that doesn't work. No solution has yet been suggested in this bug.
Status: RESOLVED → REOPENED
Resolution: WONTFIX → ---
Ah, I can see the need to fix the status bar not getting toggled when it's not there in a popup. However, what about scripts that disable the menu bar, or the close/minimize/maximize/system menu buttons, or the scrollbars, or resize, etc. etc. This is a general problem not just with status bars. We don't have enough keys to toggle each thing back on individually. I think we need one command to turn a pop up into a full browser window. We don't have any Ctrl+Alt key combos in the app currently. Usually those are reserved for user defined application hotkeys in Windows.
As aaron said, there are many things you can't do without menus. The problem isn't that there's no keyboard shortcut to get the status bar; the problem is that there's no keyboard shortcut to for "make the menu bar appear" or "turn this window into a real browser window". See bug 69099 for adding a keyboard shortcut for getting the menu bar (F10, Alt, and Alt+V should all work).
iirc ben is adding show menubar to the context menu, and that would probably happen w/in a week [never quote a bugzilla commenter]
There are 2 separate issues here: 1. The ability to show a hidden status bar at all, once it's been disabled from js 2. The ability to have a nifty keyboard shortcut Maybe we can work on a shortcut after we've made it *possible* (item 1).
Assignee: aaronl → ben
Status: REOPENED → NEW
Depends on: 26353
BTW, tpowell, you can set your prefs to "When Navigator Starts Up, Display" -> "Last page visited". If you do that, Accel+N will then open chromeless or statusbar-less windows in a full browser window.
Timeless: Some nasty pages even disables right click. Ben's effort (adding "show menubar" to the context menu) would not work in this situation.
true, that's covered by this mess of bugs: bug 14716 [RFE] don't popup new windows while mouse button is down bug 28604 [DOM] Context menu should wait for onclick / onmousedown handler bug 40535 [RFE] disallow/queue alert (and window.open?) on right-click bug 60889 handler doesn't get called if context-menu is active onClick bug 71705 Right-click triggers onclick handler. bug 72084 There is no way to disable the context menu upon right-click (oncontextmenu?) bug 86193 There is no way to always open the context menu upon right-click (oncontextmenu?) Note that just because a bug is fixed doesn't mean the fix is satisfactory for all parties. esp bug 72084. However I expect that the last item will eventually be fixed and that this bug shouldn't care about the bugs i just listed (I'm listing them here because it took too long for me to find any of them).
23 years ago
Status: NEW → ASSIGNED
Target Milestone: --- → Future
I think the context menu item in bug 69099 should be "show toolbars" and include the status bar. See bug 69099 comment 28. It might also make sense for the keyboard shortcuts (Alt and F10) to show all the toolbars and not just the menu bar.
*** Bug 188526 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. ***
Mass reassign of my non-Firefox bugs to firstname.lastname@example.org
Assignee: bugs → ben_seamonkey
Status: ASSIGNED → NEW
Mass un-assigning bugs assigned to Aaron.
Assignee: aaronleventhal → nobody
Component: Keyboard: Navigation → User events and focus handling
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