919221 - Unified folders in foreign language

Status: RESOLVED DUPLICATE of bug 543227

(Thunderbird :: Folder and Message Lists, defect)

Description

[Nicolas Widmer]

User Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.8; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/24.0 (Beta/Release)
Build ID: 20130910160258

Steps to reproduce:

Show folders as Unified (View Menu)


Actual results:

All the folders of my 2 IMAP accounts have been unified, except the Sent ones. In "show all" view, the names of the two folders are differents: one is named "Envoyés" (Sent in French) and the other one "Sent items". Apparently, Thunderbird do not recognize them as similar folders.


Expected results:

The "Envoyés" and "Sent items" should have been unified.

Comment 1

[Nicolas Widmer]

This might be due to a localization bug already reported by others (543227) and preventing "Sent items" folders to be correctly translated to "Envoyés" folders.

Comment 2

[WADA:World Anti-bad-Duping Agency]

Unified folder name==Sent is perhaps hard coded in en-US build, and it is perhaps localized by localized Tb as done on actual folder name of "Sent".
"Actual folders associated to the Unified folder named Sent", perhaps Envoyés in Tb fr, are shown under the Unified folder named Sent(or Envoyés if localized), and are never "folder named Sent or Sent Items or Envoyés ...".
"Actual folders associated to the Unified folder named Sent(or Envoyés if localized)" are folders which is used as "foldr to save sent mail copy" what is pointed by Copies&Folders settings for each Idetity. (Folder flag of "SentMail" is set, and icon is changed to icon for sent folder)
  Sent <== Unified folder named Sent. May be localized.
    (if expanded)
    Sent-L-1 Local Folders  <= actual mail folder. If Sent, may be localized. 
    Sent-L-2 Local Folders  <= actual mail folder. If Sent, may be localized.
    Sent-A-1 account-name-A <= actual mail folder. If Sent, may be localized.
    Sent-A-2 account-name-A <= actual mail folder. If Sent, may be localized.
    Sent-B-1 account-name-B <= actual mail folder. If Sent, may be localized.
    Sent-B-2 account-name-B <= actual mail folder. If Sent, may be localized.

> Expected results:
> The "Envoyés" and "Sent items" should have been unified.

What Tb's action/Tb's display do you call by "should be unified"?

What is actual Mbox name of "Envoyés"?
  Mbox name at server = Sent, Envoyés is localized namr of ent in Tb.
  Mbox name at server = Envoyés

What folder do you select as "folder to save sent mail copy" at Copies&Folers of each Identty?
What folders are chosen as "Search Target folders" in Folder Properties of Unifiled folder named Sent"?

FYI.
As for "localized name for Sent Items, Deleted Items, ...", it's never supported yet, although it's requested by some users.
As for "automatic use of Sent Items, or other any localized folder name, instead of hard coded Sent in Tb, as Sent folder in Tb", server should support 
"IMAP LIST Extension for Special-Use Mailboxes" or X-LIST.
> https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc6154‎

Comment 3

[Nicolas Widmer]

Thanks to your information, I was able to unify my Sent folders. To achieve that I had to manually select the "Sent items" from one of my account as "folder to save sent mail copy". This allows Tb to set a correct icon to that folder and to unify it correctly afterwards. It does however not solve the localization issue. "Sent items" is apparently not a standard IMAP name, but is commonly used by some e-mail providers and cannot be changed on their server.

Comment 4

[Nicolas Widmer]

Attachment: All folders

Screenshot of my "all folders" view.

Comment 5

[Nicolas Widmer]

Attachment: Unified folders

Screenshot of my "unified folders" view.

Comment 6

[WADA:World Anti-bad-Duping Agency]

(In reply to Nicolas Widmer from comment #3)
> It does however not solve the localization issue.

FYI.
In Tb, as you already know, any folder can be used as "folder to save sent mail copy" by appropriate Copies&Folders setting. So, following is always possible.
(1) Create Mbox named "Envoyés" at IMAP server,
    if your IMAP servr permits "é" in Mbox name.
(2) Select Mbox named "Envoyés" at Copies&Folders.

Comment 7

[WADA:World Anti-bad-Duping Agency]

(In reply to Nicolas Widmer from comment #3)
> It does however not solve the localization issue.

Linkifying Bug 543227
As already pointed by Nicolas Widmer in comment #1, bug for it already exists. There is no need to repeatedly write complaints on it in bug report at bugzilla.mozilla.org.

Comment 8

[WADA:World Anti-bad-Duping Agency]

> Bug sumary : Unified folders in foreign language

Is your request following?
  Localized "Sent Items" as Unified Folder name for "folders to save sent mail copy"
  at View/Folders/Unified(top most one. not actual folder of each account)

Comment 9

[Nicolas Widmer]

Thanks. I cannot change the name of the "Sent items" or delete it in the server. If I create another folder in the Server named "Envoyés", I will end with 2 folders aimed at storing sent e-mails. Tb will use the "Envoyés" one if configured with "folder to save sent mail copy" but other apps or the wbmail interface will still use "Sent items".
Ideally, Tb should automatically localize "Sent items" additionally to "Sent" folder and unified it automatically as well.

Comment 10

[WADA:World Anti-bad-Duping Agency]

(In reply to Nicolas Widmer from comment #9)
> Ideally, Tb should automatically localize "Sent items" additionally to
> "Sent" folder and unified it automatically as well.

As I already wrote, server support of "IMAP LIST Extension for Special-Use Mailboxes" or XLIST is needed for it.
If an Mbox is declared as "SentMail" folder by server, Tb automatically adds attribute of "folder to save sent mail copy" to the Mbox. IIRC, this Mbox is treated as "internal default of Sent" by Tb, so, if "sent folder associated to an identity of this account/server" doesn't exist at server, IIRC, Tb automatically falls back to the "internal default of Sent" for the identity.

Because Gmail IMAP declares "[Gmail]/Sent Mail"(or "[Gmail]/<localized Sent Mail>" if Display Language is set) via XLIST extension, and because root level "Sent" is usually not defined at Gmail IMAP server, "[Gmail]/Sent Mail"(or "[Gmail]/<localized Sent Mail>" if Display Language is set) is usually used as "folder to save sent mail copy" without manual setting by user.

And, as you already know, 'automatic localization of "Sent items" by Tb' is absolutely different issue, for which independent Bug 543227 is already opened.

Comment 11

[Nicolas Widmer]

OK, thanks. The bug was thus directly dependent of a problem related to folder declaration of my e-mail provider and not to Tb. Concerning localization, the bug was indeed already opened (Bug 543227).

Comment 12

[Wayne Mery (:wsmwk)]

(In reply to Nicolas Widmer from comment #11)

OK, thanks. The bug was thus directly dependent of a problem related to
folder declaration of my e-mail provider and not to Tb. Concerning
localization, the bug was indeed already opened (Bug 543227).

If this was bug 543227, it was fixed in 2018