20 years ago
11 years ago


(Reporter: CodeMachine, Assigned: mscott)



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20 years ago
I've seen the mail/news external task "Filtering After The Fact".  What I'd like
is a folder filter than gets run regularly.

So I'm submitting this RFE, for _comprehensive_ filtering.  Filtering after the
fact, which I'm interpreting as manual selection and filter application, is a
part of this.

You could have lots of triggers for filters.

(a) When new message arrives (obvious).
(b) When message arrives in this folder (can be fired due to a manual move or
another filter moved the msg just before - watch out for endless rule firing)
(c) When a cleanup occurs.
(d) A combination of these (eg a OR b)
(d) None : manual only (ie after the fact).

(c) would absolutely rock.  I would have filters set up to delete msgs > 14 days
old AND read.  So you would choose a menu option saying "Cleean Up Mail Folders"
and BAM! - all the old messages are trashed or archived to another folder.

All the filter actions would be the same as the new mail filters.

Pretty cool huh?  Not that it will make it into v5!  =)


20 years ago
Assignee: phil → bienvenu

Comment 1

20 years ago
reassign to bienvenu.


20 years ago
Closed: 20 years ago
Resolution: --- → LATER

Comment 2

20 years ago
yes, it won't make it into 5.0, unless some contributes it.

Comment 3

20 years ago
It would also nice to be able to create a one-off "filter" to apply, so you
could select a bunch of folders and/or messages, then choose "Apply Action"
which would bring up the standard filter screen.  This filter wouldn't be saved
at all.


20 years ago
Depends on: 11033
Summary: Comprehensive Mail Filtering → [HELP WANTED]Comprehensive Mail Filtering
Whiteboard: HELP WANTED
marking [HELP WANTED].


20 years ago


20 years ago
Resolution: LATER → ---

Comment 5

20 years ago
Since this is a "help wanted" bug, I'll go ahead and reopen this bug.  All our
other "help wanted" bugs are open.


20 years ago
Target Milestone: M15

Comment 6

20 years ago
Then I'm going to move this to M15.


20 years ago
Depends on: 11039

Comment 7

20 years ago
There are two bugs this depends on - they are both subsets of this
functionality.  Bug #11033 is about filtering mail that is already in a folder,
and bug #11039 is about filtering outgoing mail.  I had to mention the latter
here or else I couldn't be honest with myself in calling this "comprehensive"
filtering.  =)

Scratch my comment about one-off filters.  The actions are obviously already
available, therefore the sole advantage is the presence of the ability to apply
to a subset of documents.  I've realised this would be better done as a menu
option to conditionally select messages, and have filed bug #12007.

Comment 8

20 years ago
The "cleanup" idea seems unnecessarily restrictive.  An expanded idea is to
allow users to define their own manual triggers.  You would have a submenu in
the UI containing all the triggers:

Filter Triggers >
    Clean Up Old Messages
    Trim Sent Folder

Each filter might sit on one of these triggers.


20 years ago
Closed: 20 years ago20 years ago
Resolution: --- → LATER

Comment 9

20 years ago
Bulk-resolving requests for enhancement as "later" to get them off the Seamonkey
bug tracking radar. Even though these bugs are not "open" in bugzilla, we
welcome fixes and improvements in these areas at any time. Mail/news RFEs
continue to be tracked on

Comment 10

20 years ago
Reopen mail/news HELP WANTED bugs and reassign to

Comment 11

20 years ago
One action to this might be "delete attachment", which might be useful for
outgoing mail.


20 years ago
Keywords: helpwanted


20 years ago
Summary: [HELP WANTED]Comprehensive Mail Filtering → Comprehensive Mail Filtering
Whiteboard: HELP WANTED


20 years ago
Target Milestone: M15

Comment 12

20 years ago
It would be nice if procmail configurations could be left relatively unhindered,

and still work with Mozilla.

Blocks: 66425

Comment 13

19 years ago
This is the first RFE I voted for - this is absolutely necessary for a decent mailer, and I really would like to see clever filtering in MozMail!

Esp. the "delete attachments"-action is a *must-have* and a very good idea I also had in mind for some time now. If you get big attachments like JPGs, MP3s etc. and save them, it's a real waste to leave them in the mailbox.

I'd love to see at least some of that functionality (like the "delete attachment"-stuff), also the bug is growing a bit old now...

Comment 14

19 years ago
delete attachment is the subject of another bug.

Comment 15

17 years ago
most of this work is done now, as I understand it.

Pointing back to component owner to see if this can be closed, or updated.
Assignee: nobody → mscott
QA Contact: lchiang → gayatri


17 years ago
QA Contact: gayatri → laurel
There are several times during the lifespan of a message when it should pass
through a ruleset:

 * OPTIONALLY, after the headers are retrieved but before the body is
   retrieved, to determine whether to retrieve the body.  Turning this on
   has extra overhead on POP3 (since the body can't be retrieved without
   refetching the header), so whether to use it or not should be a 
   separate pref for mail versus usenet.  Very few clients do this
   for mail, though some do it for usenet.  Spam being what it is
   these days, doing it for mail would save many of us bandwidth in
   spite of the overhead of retrieving headers twice for all legit

 * When the message is retrieved, to determine which folder to file it in.
   By default, if there is no rule that matches, it goes into the inbox.
   Many mail clients do this; Gnus is one example.

 * Whenever the message is placed into a folder.  Each folder should be
   able to have its own rules.  For example, I might want all messages
   that come from to go into a "diplomacy" folder,
   and then I might want to apply a special set of filters to those 
   messages, so that ones with "from I" in the subject are marked green,
   ones with "to M" are marked as urgent, a sound is played whenever one
   arrives that says "Results" in the subject, and so on and so forth.
   Yes, loops have to be watched for, probably by calling the filters
   recursively with a list of folders that have already filtered it.
   Pegasus Mail does this when the folder is _opened_, rather than when
   the message is placed there, but I think that if the infinite loop
   problem can be avoided doing it when the message is filed into the
   folder is better.

 * Whenever a folder is closed by the user.  (Could also be when Mail/News 
   is exited, but I prefer the folder-closed approach because it can happen
   asynchronously while other stuff is being read.)  This is useful for 
   allowing messages that have been read already to be archived to another
   folder, or for allowing messages that match certain patterns to remain
   in a folder for only a certain amount of time, then being archived off.
   Pegasus Mail does this, and it's handy for mailing lists, to archive
   off messages more than n days old to a separate folder whether they 
   are read or not.  There may even be some categories of messages that
   the user wants to see in the inbox _once_, and have them pass elsewhere
   afterword whether they have been read or not.  (I used to do that with
   one mailing list.)

 * When an outgoing message is sent.  Pegasus Mail does this, and it is
   useful for placing outgoing messages that match certain patterns into
   different folders.  Gnus handles this functionality differently, by
   allowing groups to be customised so that messages created in them
   have certain default headers, including the Gcc pseudoheader (which
   controls where a copy is filed), which the user can then edit on a
   per-message basis before sending if desired.  

All of this only covers _when_ filters can be triggered; the question of
_what_ triggered filters are capable of doing to a message would be a 
separate bug (or numerous separate bugs, perhaps).

Comment 17

17 years ago
it would be nice to have filtering enabled for local folders as well
Product: MailNews → Core
I believe this old bug (as reported) is WFM. We do support filtering after the fact now, and also message aging (not as a filter though).

Filters per folder is bug 294632.
Closed: 20 years ago12 years ago
Resolution: --- → WORKSFORME
Product: Core → MailNews Core
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