105672 - Need a 48x48 application icon for Windows

Status: RESOLVED WORKSFORME

(SeaMonkey :: Themes, defect)

Description

[Kevin Stange]

It would make sense, with the impending release of Windows XP, to provide an 
icon in the 48x48 size so that Windows can display its large icons view 
without having to stretch the existing 32x32 icon.  The scaling doesn't look 
all that nice.

Comment 1

[Ashley Bischoff (blog at handcoding.com)]

No dupes found. Marking NEW.

-> Themes, but punt as needed

Comment 2

[Ashley Bischoff (blog at handcoding.com)]

Related to bug 43647?

Adding block: bug 73712.

Comment 3

[Joe Hewitt (gone)]

Over to Marlon, ye olde Icon Master

Comment 4

[marlon bishop]

arrg...aye am shoppe keeper here! what needs ya new?  needn't pester me till the
crows come home, lad.  lest thee splidgets in a bind?

Comment 5

[Chris Brien]

Attachment: New mozilla icon, 16x16, 32x32, 48x48 and 72x72

I've attached a new mozilla icon, based on the mozilla.org favicon and the big
SVG picture of Mozilla. It include images at 16x16, 32x32, 48x48 and 72x72
resolution, with both 8- and 24-bit colour, optimized for a one bit
transparency. I know XP supports 8-bit alpha, but this icon looks good on all
systems, including XP at 48 pixel resolution.

This would be nice as the mozilla.org favicon, too, since it includes multiple
resolutions.

Comment 6

[Chris Brien]

That attachment should be called mozilla.ico if you want to download it - I'm
not sure what to set the mime-type to in order for it to display without saving
it as a .ico file.

Comment 7

[Chris Brien]

Attachment: big seamonkey icon

This is basically the current blue seamonkey icon, scaled and cleaned up for
48x48, 64x64 and 72x72px (16x16 and 32x32 are unchanged). This will allow this
bug to be resolved fixed, without needing to get permission to use the red
lizard (which is bug 28028). When (if?) it is decided to use the red lizard,
the other icon (attachment 58751 [details]) can be used.

Comment 8

[Greg K.]

Chris, would you create a 128x128 version as well, for Mac OS X? We should get
all platforms using the same icon.

Comment 9

[Chris Brien]

Which one, the lizard or the seamonkey? Also, what format do the *nix icons use?

Comment 10

[Alan]

id like to see the red lizard used Cross Platform (some Linux dist's use it
Mandrake i think) adding a vote to this bug.  

In case you were not already aware the Seamonkey icon is almost invisible
against the default cyan/turquoise desktop color for win9x.  

Comment 11

[Kevin Stange]

Typically *nix uses PNG icons, gnome likes scalable icons up to as large as 
anyone cares to make.

Basically it looks like MacOS X needs up to 128x128, Windows wants 48x48, and 
Linux up to 48x48 is probably adequate.  I like the red lizard icon over the 
seamonkey icon, by the way.

Comment 12

[Francesco De Francesco]

Attachment: seamonkey icon for WindowsXP (with alpha blending)

64x64, 48x48, 32x32, 24x24, 16x16 pixels at 32-, 24-, 8-, 4- & 1-bit icons.
the 32-bit fit very well with WindowsXP's alpha blending

Comment 13

[Greg K.]

Francesco, be sure to create a 128x128 and SVG version as well.

Comment 14

[Francesco De Francesco]

I've no ptoblems on making the 128x128 one. but... what do you mean for an SVG
version?

Francesco

Comment 15

[Greg K.]

If you're unfamiliar with SVG, just attach a version in some vector format (not
bitmap).

Comment 16

[Francesco De Francesco]

uhmmm... ok, I'll try to vectorialize 'em in FreeHand (thanks god I'got a Wacom
tablet!). I think I can save in WMF or EMF.

however, where can I find a program (for Linux too, if necessary) to export in SVG?

thanx

Francesco

Comment 17

[Francesco De Francesco]

Attachment: vectorial version (draft)

that's it! I made a vectorial (emf) version of the seamonkey logo as requested.
I think many people could do better but... remember it's just a draft! you can
see it in ACDsee or MS Word/Excel/etc, StarOffice and so on (as an usual
ClipArt). 

I'll work on the 128x128 .ico and .png versions now ;-)
please make me know if you like it. again, don't you know a program (for
Windows or Linux) able to export it in SVG format? you can contact me in
private e-mail too.

bye all
Francesco <[e-mail]>

Comment 18

[Francesco De Francesco]

Attachment: 128x128 .png & .ico format

brand new 128x128 icon, as requested.
you can use the .html file contained in the archive to see the png.

enjoy!

Francesco <[e-mail]>

Comment 19

[Greg K.]

Very nice job on your Mozilla icon, Francesco. It's my favorite thus far (and
many, many have been made).

Many SVG-implementing applications are listed at
[http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/SVG-Implementations.htm8].

You also might be interested in my overview document of Mozilla's icon suite and
other appearance details at
[http://greg.tcp.com/mozilla/ui/Outside/introduction.html]. I'm rather of the
mind that Mozilla's whole icon suite and splash screen should be designed as a
whole.

Comment 20

[Ricky Webb]

Yep...very nice icon indeed. Keep up the great work!

Comment 21

[Aaron Kaluszka]

*** Bug 117271 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. ***

Comment 22

[John Cirillo]

Whatever gets decided, please note (similar to comment # 10) that the current
seamonkey icon vanishes on a standard Windows NT 50% gray (I think it's called
that) background.  If possible, can the icon be made with its own defined
background so this won't happen regardless of the desktop background in use? I
think the current icon's background is somehow transparent, is why this happens now.

Comment 23

[Francesco De Francesco]

in reply to comment #20 (and #10): icons in my icon set feature a white border
and a bright-to-dark fading (and an alpha shadow, too), therefore I think they
may fit well in any background.
I can however build red lizard icons, if you like.

bye all

Francesco

Comment 24

[Francesco De Francesco]

sorry... I meant comment #22 (and comment #10)

Comment 25

[Francesco De Francesco]

yet another reply to comment #22: I tried my icon on Windows 98 & 2000 and I
actually realized there is some problem on seeing it on the microsoftish default
greenblue background: but I think just brighting the border should make a
noticeable difference. so I'll work on this now.

p.s.: I swear that in a few days I'll post the final SVG version!

bye all
Francesco

Comment 26

[Francesco De Francesco]

Attachment: SVG version

hello folks! here is my first SVG version of the Mozilla icon as requested.
please notice the MIME type is image/svg+xml according to the W3C standard
(http://www.w3.org/TR/SVG/intro.html#MIMEType). you can save it as usual by
renaming "attachment.cgi" as "something.svg" in the 'Save As" dialog.
I'll wait for your comments. thank you!

Francesco De Francesco

Comment 27

[Simon Dorner]

You may want to take a look at my Mac OS X Mozilla icon set. I think they 
might look good under Windows XP too. I'd be happy to work with a 
Windows XP user with graphics experience who can help me to convert 
the icons into the right format.

You can find them here: 
http://www.theparallax.net/sd/proposals/Mozilla-Icons.jpg

Comment 28

[Francesco De Francesco]

in reply to comment #27:
hey! they're simply great!!

Francesco

Comment 29

[scratch]

I can make WinXP icons.  Provide links to them in PNG or PSD format and I'll
convert them.

Comment 30

[Francesco De Francesco]

I can convert them too. I'm already working on the JPEG but having a PSD or PNG
version would really make it simple

thanks
Francesco

Comment 31

[Kevin Stange]

Wow, those are very nice icons.  If you convert to PNG, make sure to do so 
with an alpha layer.  WindowsXP's icon format supports an alpha layer which 
would work well with those icons.  Don't forget, however, to make a version of 
each icon that has no alpha layer, so that users of other versions of Windows 
can still view the icons correctly.

Comment 32

[scratch]

Yeah, I found a shot of a different (equally really nice) mac os x mozilla icon
in jpg format that I converted to a WinXP icon to the best of my ability.  it
came out... not too bad.  I wish I could remember the author's name.  The
resolutions go from 16x16 up to 128x128.

Comment 33

[Francesco De Francesco]

Attachment: PNG version of Simon Dorner's icon set (~155K)

I made an SVG version of the icons described by Simon Dorner in comment #27;
they support full alpha blending and so on. I'll start working on the .ico
format now!

bye all
Francesco

Comment 34

[Francesco De Francesco]

sorry... PNG, not SVG :-)

Francesco

Comment 35

[Simon Dorner]

I'm still working on a lot of the details. I would wait with the conversion 
efforts until they're finished. The image I posted was just to describe the 
basic design direction I've taken. I've posted a more detailed description 
of what I've done and what I will do in this comment: 
http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=58228#c62 . There's still a lot 
of work to do for me until they're ready. The final icon set will be a lot more 
polished, "lickable" and complete. I will publish it in about a week and a 
half and I will send anybody who's interested the layered .psd source files. 
Just drop me an email.

Comment 36

[Simon Dorner]

The icon set is now updated, more polished and complete, contains 
descriptions and licensing information: 
http://www.theparallax.org/sd/proposals/mozilla/icons.html - I've saved 
them as png's with an alpha channel so you can use them without 
manually reconstructing the transparency information. (That must have 
been a lot of work, Francesco...)
Theres still a long way to go until they're ready.

Comment 37

[Francesco De Francesco]

in reply to comment #36: your icon set is great! i'm not at home right now, but 
I'll start working in the next days. I think I'll be able to post a Windows 
version on thursday/friday.

btw... they're too nice to be used under Windows!

see ya later
Francesco

Comment 38

[Kevin Stange]

Most of the my time here, I'm just watching bugs, occasionally making
suggestions as I have done by posting this bug, so I'm not to knowledgeable on
how bugs actually get dealt with in terms of making it into the build.

Is anyone in the development processing watching this bug, or is it just up to
the creative people here to come up with something and then just hope they like
what's been done?

Comment 39

[gavin long]

*** Bug 152396 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. ***

Comment 40

[Dan Houson]

Out of all the bugs in bugzilla this has got to be the easyest to fix.
Give me the icons source file and I'll make the icon
Note this doesn't k=just effect Windows XP 

Comment 41

[René Rhéaume]

I did a seamonkey icon without knowing existance of this bug until yesterday.

Icons formats:
16x16x4b, 16x16x8b, 32x32x4b, 32x32x8b, 48x48x4b, 48x48x8b, 48x48x32b, 72x72x8b,
72x72x32b, 128x128x32b as a separate PNG

Simon Dorner icons are very cool.

Comment 42

[René Rhéaume]

Attachment: another seamonkey icon

Comment 43

[Jason Kersey]

I'm going to dupe this to bug 73712, as it's a windows icon issue.  Please make
your comments there.  If you have mac icons/issues, those should be posted in
bug 157829 and linux ones to bug 157830.

thanks.

*** This bug has been marked as a duplicate of 73712 ***

Comment 44

[scratch]

Can someone with the proper authority reopen this?

Comment 45

[Markus Gerstel]

yep

Comment 46

[Alex Hosking]

No offence but This has got to be the easy easyiest bug to fix still not fixed
the atachments are there and they look OK so why is this not fixed yet?

Comment 47

[scratch]

Well, since the blue seamonkey icon is no longer the default, I'm not sure that
they'd want to put it back.  Anyone have a good high res red dino head icon? 
The first attachment would work, except it doesn't look very good in 48x48.

Comment 48

[scratch]

Attachment: Linux 48x48 PNG icon converted to Win32

I just converted the Linux default icon over to Windows.  16x16, 32x32, 48x48,
and 64x64 resolutions are included.  16, 32, and 48 are each in 16 color, true
color, and alpha blended, 64 is only in alpha blended (I don't think other
color depths are needed as only WinXP supports icons that big).  If this icon
is checked in, then at least two major platforms will be using the same default
icon.

Comment 49

[scratch]

Attachment: Updated version of red dino head icon.

Updated version: Contains 128x128x32 format, and I tried to clean up the
jaggies on 32x32

Comment 50

[Kevin Stange]

Keep in mind there are already icons checked in (for Windows) which are in the 
nightly builds.  It would be best to supply the 48x48 pixel version of that 
icon, and check that in, rather than backing out some of the changes from bug 
73712 to use a different icon entirely.

Comment 51

[Alex Hosking]

Windows 98+ can have 48x48 Icons

Comment 52

[scratch]

Attachment: attempted reproduction of Giovanni's icon at resolutions up to 128x128

I tried to make it look as much like the current icon as I could, but I'm not
all that much of an artist so it isn't perfect.  If anyone thinks they can
improve it, feel free.

Comment 53

[Bryan Keller]

FYI, the grayrest icon set has been updated to include 48x48 icons.

http://www.deskmod.com/core.mod?show=showskin&skin_id=9673

Comment 54

[[e-mail]]

Attachment: Note that some existing icons don't have correct transparency

Also one is 24-bit colour, somewhat excessive :-(

Comment 55

[Paul Drummond]

A long time ago I did the icon for the Mac OS X version of Mozilla (the
translucent blue 'M' in current use). I've offered to create a full icon suite
based on this for Mac and Windows, but get no reply. I'm trying again in the
hope that someone spots this. Sigh...

Comment 56

[Greg K.]

Paul, see bug 88393.

Comment 57

[Alex Hosking]

I think This is a bug that DESPERATELY needs fixing espeasialy for Mac OS Docks
and MobyDock ETC

Comment 58

[Robert Kaiser]

We may fix this for SeaMonkey in bug 321927, let's see...

Comment 59

[Peter Hewitt]

is this still relevent today? Vista now has massive icons and the app suite as refered to in this bug no longer exists in the same manner.

Perhaps reassign as seamonkey?

Comment 60

[Calvin Buckley]

On Leopard, 512x512.

On Vista, 256x256.

Comment 61

[Kai Liu]

As filed, this bug is no longer relevant, as both SM and Fx have 48x48 Windows icons.  If there is a need for even larger ones, a new bug should be filed for it, esp. since this bug dates to before the suite-browser split.