111657 - framfab.se - Framfab builds Mozilla-hostile websites

Status: RESOLVED FIXED

(Tech Evangelism Graveyard :: Other, defect, P1)

Description

[Per Ångström]

Look at the following websites:
<URL:http://www.vattenfall.com/>
<URL:http://www.vattenfall.se/>
<URL:http://www.veckorevyn.com/>
<URL:http://www.greencargo.com/>
<URL:http://www.bris.se/> (Huge Popup Warning!!!)

They all have two things in common:
1) They don't work very well in Mozilla/Netscape 6.
2) They have been built by Framfab, <URL:http://www.framfab.se/>, a high-profile
Swedish Internet company.

I don't really care about each individual website, but I think we need to
concentrate on the source of these problems, namely Framfab. IMO, Framfab needs
to be subjected to some evangelism.

Comment 1

[Bob Clary [:bc] (inactive)]

see bug 59692. I have contacted ikea about their framfab code and contacted
framfab. No response from framfab yet. This company was founded in se but is now
 international with locations in several countries including the us.

confirming since I have already seen problems with framfab code.

Comment 2

[Tristan Nitot]

Confirming for http://www.GreenCargo.com w/ Moz 096
RTeporter also mentionned  http://www.vattenfall.com/ : confirming.

Making this bug a Meta (adding keyword)

contact : [e-mail]
Changing URL to http://www.framfab.se
Setting P1.

Comment 3

[Christopher Aillon (sabbatical, not receiving bugmail)]

Per discussion on IRC, we are turning this into a meta tracking bug.

If you find a site using FramFab code that does not work with
Mozilla, please:

1.  file an evangelism bug on the site.
2.  make the bug block this bug so we can easliy track these issues
3.  mark [TOOL][FRAMFAB] in the status whiteboard to allow us to run queries as
well.


Thank you,

Christopher

Comment 4

[André Dahlqvist]

Om framfabs website they list the following companies as "leading companies that
cooperate with framfab". Someone who has the time could perhaps visit their
websites and see how they work with Mozilla.

3M
AXA
AstraZeneca
Bosch
Bredbandsbolaget
BT Ignite GmbH & Co.
Danske Bank
Deutscher Ring
DKV
Electrolux
Ericsson
Essilor
Expressen
France Télécom
Groupe Pernod Ricard
Hydro Texaco
I K E A
International Red Cross
Kellogg's
Maersk SealandMcDonald's
Nike Europe
Observer
Orange
Packard Bell
Philips
Port of Rotterdam
Postbank
Postgirot
Quelle Versicherungen
SAAB Group
SAS
SCA Hygiene Products
Shell
Sony Walkman
UBS
Vattenfall
Volvo Car Corporation
Volvo Group
Volvo Trucks

Comment 5

[Christopher Aillon (sabbatical, not receiving bugmail)]

Interesting tidbit:

In the JavaScript Definitive Guide 4th edition by David Flanagan,

Acknowledgements:

"..The new material on the W3C DOM was reviewed by Phillipe Le Hegaret of the
W3C, by Peter-Paul Koch, Head of Client-Side Programming at the Dutch Internet
consultancy and creation company Netlinq Framfab (http://www.netlinqframfab.nl), 
....
Two of the reviewers maintain useful web sites about web design with the DOM. 
Peter-Paul's site is at http://www.xs4all.nl/~ppk/js/ "

Perhaps Mr. Koch would be a good starting point!

Updating the URL to point to the true homepage. 

Comment 6

[Per Ångström]

I'm resetting the URL to point to Framfab's Swedish branch, which is responsible
for the problem sites mentioned in the original bug report.

Comment 7

[Tristan Nitot]

caillon: following Mr Koch's e-mail, I restate that his web site
(http://www.netlinqframfab.nl), is indeed Mozilla compatible AFAIK. I have asked
to Mr Koch to help us evangelize other branches that may not be as respectful
for standards as the Dutch branch.

Accepting bug.

Comment 8

[Kai Lahmann (is there, where MNG is)]

move...

Comment 9

[Bob Clary [:bc] (inactive)]

other default owner

Comment 10

[Per Ångström]

All dependencies are resolved, so I'm closing this bug.