1235993 - Language packs for latest stable SeaMonkey version must be upoladed to AMO and listed at /seamonkey/language-tools/ as "Language Pack for latest Stable Version"

Status: NEW

(SeaMonkey :: General, defect)

Description

[Rainer Bielefeld]

Steps how to reproduce with  SeaMonkey German 2.39 final Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:42.0 from official download area)  Gecko/20100101  Firefox/42.0  Build 20151103191810  (Classic Theme) on German WIN7 64bit:

1. From Browser menu 'Edit → Preferences → Appearance → Spell check → 
   Language: Download more dictionaries'
   » Opens <https://addons.mozilla.org/de/seamonkey/language-tools/>

Problems:
a) Link for Language pack under "In Ihrer Sprache verfügbar" 
 <https://addons.mozilla.org/de/seamonkey/addon/deutsch-de-language-pack-for-s/>
   leads to outdated language pack 
   "Deutsches Sprachpaket für SeaMonkey 2.38"
   We have a 2.39 language pack, see 
   <http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/#2.39>
b) No Dictionary offered here in same line here without any explication. 
   At least some "see below" would be fine
c) Why double parenthesis "((neue Rechtschreibung))"?
   What is the difference to the other "neue Rechtschreibung" dict?
d) Link Texts (at least for German dictionaries) is misleading: 
   Link will not start installation, but open software download 
   page on AMO
e) Outdated (not compatible?) dictionaries offered: Afrikaanse,
   Amharic, Corrector ortografico aragonés 0.2.1-typefix, 
   Armenian spell checker dictionary 0.33, 
   Lachit - an Assamese Spell Checker 1.0.1, 
   Azerbaijani Spell Checker 0.3.1-typefix, Xuxen 5.0.2.1-typefix,
   Belarusian Dictionary 0.1.2.1-typefix, 
   Belarusian Classic Dictionary 0.1.2.1-typefix
   Bengali (Bangladesh) Dictionary 0.08 
   Difazier An Drouizig 0.14
   Diccionario ortográfico valenciano 2.2.0.1-typefix
   Chichewa Spell Check 0.3.1-typefix
   (further ones need to be checked)
   I will file separate bug(s) with request to update dictionaries.

Comment 1

[Tony Mechelynck [:tonymec]]

I don't see a "Download more dictionaries" link at "Edit → Preferences → Appearance → Spelling" in my 2.43a1 en-US build. If that link was removed at some point between 2.39 and 2.43, the fact that it doesn't point to the right page will correct itself as the release train goes forward. In any case it's too late for that link to be fixed in 2.39, and even in 2.40: this problem is obviously not a "security and stability" bug.



Now first about the langpack, which indeed doesn't exist at AMO for 2.39:

It seems that KaiRo, author of that "Sprachpaket", does not request full validation at each release, as can be seen by clicking "Versionshinweise" near the bottom of the page, and then "Die vollständige Versionsgeschichte ansehen" in the foldout thus opened.

Apparently the right place to get your langpacks is not at AMO but from the "Language packs" section near the bottom of that SeaMonkey page.

The above would be an AMO bug if it were a Mozilla bug at all, which IMHO it isn't. But maybe I'm wrong about this.



Then about the spelling dictionary.

I confirm that no German spelling dictionary is listed on that AMO page *for the de locale* (which is probably that of your browser). In the "All languages" section, however, there are "regional" dictionaries for de-AT, de-DE and de-CH. If soeveral authors contributed dictionaries for the same language, there may be some duplication. By going to each one's page in turn, this is what I find:
• de-AT
- Deutsches Wörterbuch, erweitert für Österreich 2.0.4, von KaiRo, für SeaMonkey 2.7a1 - 2.41
- Wörterbuch "Deutsch (de_AT)", neue Rechtschreibung 20151028, von bjacke, für SeaMonkey 2.7 - 2.41
• de-DE
- Deutsches Wörterbuch 2.0.4, von KaiRo, für SeaMonkey 2.7a1 - 2.41
- Wörterbuch "Deutsch (de_DE)", neue Rechtschreibung 20151028, von bjacke, für SeaMonkey 2.7 - 2.41
- Deutsches Wörterbuch (de-DE), alte Rechtschreibung 3.0.1, von Tobias Kuban, für SeaMonkey 2.0 - 2.39
• de-CH
- Deutsches Wörterbuch (Schweiz) 2.0.4, von KaiRo, für SeaMonkey 2.7 - 2.41
- Wörterbuch "Deutsch (de_CH)", neue Rechtschreibung 20151028, von bjacke, für SeaMonkey 2.7 - 2.41

All of these are restartless and also support Thunderbird and Firefox.

Conclusion: Two different authors provided a full set of spelling dics for de-AT, de-DE and de-CH, all (I guess) with new spelling rules, and one more author provided a dic with old spelling rules, but only billed as "for de-DE". What I don't understand is that this "old spelling dic" is more than three times as big as the others, which are all about the same size. Maybe it was zipped using less efficient compression (but faster to unpack)?



If you want to file individual bugs for the spelling dictionaries, I guess the only place to file them if you don't want an INVALID or a WONTFIX would be under "Mozilla Licalizations", but rather than bugs, IMHO contacting the author of each spelling dic (if not AWOL) would give more traction. But I think KaiRo would know more about this than I do.


Oh, und ein glückliches neues Jahr!

Comment 2

[Robert Kaiser]

Tony pretty much summarized it. I won't go into the history of all this, this is not a bug that the SeaMonkey team needs to address.

Comment 3

[Rainer Bielefeld]

> I don't see
Still  REPRODUCIBLE with  English SeaMonkey 2.43a1  (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:46.0)  Gecko/20100101 Firefox/46.0 Build 20151220153800  (Classic Theme) on VirtualBox Ubuntu 14.04 LTS 

Most of the following details might be relevant for a decision whether we will maintain those AMO download pages like <https://addons.mozilla.org/de/seamonkey/language-tools/> or whether we will find a better solution for "Bug 1236129 - Spell Check: Improve ease of use for download of dictionaries"

Comment 4

[Rainer Bielefeld]

Attachment: Screenshot: Download Dicts link

> I don't see
here it is, also in 2.43

Comment 5

[Robert Kaiser]

There is no SeaMonkey bug here, what you see is expected.

Comment 6

[Robert Kaiser]

That said, for language packs, the right solution is to have auto-upload of the official language packs to AMO - I think Firefox does that.

Comment 7

[Rainer Bielefeld]

The current "/seamonkey/language-tools/" contents makes SeaMonkey looking poor.
That needs to become improved, so this is a valid bug report
I hived off the dictionaries problem to 
 Bug 1236807 - Encourage FF and TB dictionary authors to make their add-ons available for SeaMonkey
 Bug 1236366 - Encourage dictionary authors to expand SeaMonkey compatibility version range
 Others might become created for additional problems

We have the particular "DE language pack outdated problem" because DE-LP is the only one available on  "/seamonkey/language-tools/", no other language pack finds it's way to AMO (or at least: to  "/seamonkey/language-tools/"), but that is not the core of the problem.

For a solution we need a reliable update process for latest language packs to AMO.
I can't tell whether that will automatically solve "Bug 1083689 - Langpacks aren't updated when auto-updating SeaMonkey" - we will see.

Comment 8

[Rainer Bielefeld]

@Jorge:
Can you leave some advice how to create a reliable language pack update process (may be: how they are doing this at FF/TB)?

Comment 9

[Rainer Bielefeld]

"Bug 485617 - Update and maintain AMO's Dictionary & Language Pack page with Mozilla's 1.9.0 FTP site" was concerning a very similar problem, but it seems that one only has been fixed for FF.

The TB-related Bug is "Bug 1072515 - Update and maintain AMO's Language Packs page for Thunderbird ", this one is the one for SeaMonkey.

After some  more clarifications AMO-Dictionaries might be the final appropriage Project/Component

Comment 10

[Jorge Villalobos [:jorgev] (he/him)]

(In reply to Rainer Bielefeld from comment #8)
> @Jorge:
> Can you leave some advice how to create a reliable language pack update
> process (may be: how they are doing this at FF/TB)?

There's an automatic process on AMO that checks out the language pack files from the Mozilla builds and auto-updates the add-ons. There are only a handful of language packs that are manually updated by their creators. Only AMO admins can run this process, though.

Comment 11

[Rainer Bielefeld]

(In reply to Jorge Villalobos [:jorgev] from comment #10)
> (In reply to Rainer Bielefeld from comment #8)
We have a list of available language pack for current stable SeaMonkey 2.39 at <http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/#langpacks>, all leading to
<https://archive.mozilla.org/pub/seamonkey/releases/2.39/langpack/>
It seems that the automatic update currently is broken? 

If necessary: how can we trigger an AMO update for each latest stable release causing as few work as possible? 

We should add an item "AMO LangPack update" to our release todo list.

Comment 12

[Jorge Villalobos [:jorgev] (he/him)]

I believe it only works for Firefox language packs, maybe Thunderbird as well. I think Andreas is handling them these days, so maybe he can give you better info.

Comment 13

[Andreas Wagner [:TheOne] [use NI]]

To my knowledge, it works for Firefox and Thunderbird. I don't know whether it works for Seamonkey as well, but as the tool had to be updated to even work with Thunderbird, I highly doubt it. I don't know which changes were made to add Thunderbird support though, I suppose repository history could tell you.

Comment 14

[Andreas Wagner [:TheOne] [use NI]]

What is the scope of this bug beyond whats being discussed in bug 1083689 ?

Comment 15

[Rainer Bielefeld]

(In reply to Andreas Wagner [:TheOne] from comment #14)
It might be that problem reported in bug 1083689 will vanish with a fix for this one, as the result of a test shows: At least for an update from DE SM 2.35 to DE 2.38 (what currently is (wrongly) listed on AMO Language Tools page), German Language became updated. For updates to other versions (2.39) DE-LP update failed.

Comment 16

[Rainer Bielefeld]

Remove myself from assignee because I can't do a fix.