1475148 - Remove Arial from font.name-list.sans-serif.zh-TW

Status: NEW

(Core :: Layout: Text and Fonts, defect, P3)

Description

[al2m025304]

Attachment: Arial First vs Microsoft JhengHei Only

User Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:62.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/62.0
Build ID: 20180709172241



Actual results:

It renders the Latin script with Arial, and then uses Microsoft Jhenghei to render the Chinese characters.


Expected results:

In the mixed Chinese and English sentences, the effect of using Arial to render English is not seem to be better than using Microsoft JhengHei.
After Adding Microsoft JhengHei to font.name-list.sans-serif.zh-TW in v63, it can be considered that remove Arial from font.name-list.sans-serif.zh-TW

Comment 1

[Jonathan Kew [:jfkthame]]

Personally, I'd agree that the example looks better without Arial (just using the MS Jhenghei font), but it should be the MozTW people who make the call about something like this; cc'ing :petercpg.

Comment 2

[Peter Pin-Guang Chen [:petercpg] (MozTW.org)]

Attachment: 3d57e451-97b3-4dcb-9a01-6b2d44333db8.png

There is another bug exists in MSJH rendering half-width quote marks (‘/’/“/”) with full-width ones, making weird extra space in a latin-only paragraph.

I agree that MSJH-only is better too, however we should remove Arial from the font.name-list.sans-serif.zh-TW list if this issue is tolerable.

Comment 3

[al2m025304]

The problem of full-angle quotes exists in all of the traditional Chinese fonts preinstalled in Windows. It seems to take into account that each punctuation mark in simplified Chinese must be the size of a Chinese character.

When the content of the paragraph is mainly Latin script, it is better for the Web engineers to set the corresponding language tag rather than inheriting lang="zh-tw" directly. After Removing Arial, no matter which browser the Web engineers use, it makes it easier for they to see the problem and face it.

After noticing the problem of full-angle quotes, I still support removing Arial because the four quotation marks are not commonly used in the content of the paragraph which is mainly traditional Chinese.

Comment 4

[al2m025304]

The quotation marks in Simplified Chinese: “‘’” (each one should be with full width)
The quotation marks in Traditional Chinese: 『「」』

Comment 5

[Peter Pin-Guang Chen [:petercpg] (MozTW.org)]

I just started discussion on local mailing list: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/moztw-general/rRJYCPM05Ig

Please hold off this bug a bit. (maybe until next release train?)


(In reply to al2m025304 from comment #3)
> After noticing the problem of full-angle quotes, I still support removing
> Arial because the four quotation marks are not commonly used in the content
> of the paragraph which is mainly traditional Chinese.

Agreed, but at browser level you need to take many different factors into consideration. There are still some contents not following grammar/font design, and that's something you can't change.

IMO the sites might be impacted would be Wikipedia and those poorly-designed government sites, while most other sites Taiwanese people use have their font selected in styles.

Comment 6

[Makoto Kato [:m_kato]]

:petercpg, is it OK to remove Arial from font.name-list.sans-serif.zh-TW?  It is confusion that Font preference says "Default (Arial)" for zh-TW since there is Arial entry.

Comment 7

[Peter Pin-Guang Chen [:petercpg] (MozTW.org)]

(In reply to Makoto Kato [:m_kato] from comment #6)

:petercpg, is it OK to remove Arial from font.name-list.sans-serif.zh-TW?
It is confusion that Font preference says "Default (Arial)" for zh-TW since
there is Arial entry.

Kato-san, I received similar issue report recently. We are good to go since there is not quite objection.

Note: We are supposed to remove Times New Roman from font.name-list.serif.zh-TW too, however there is no other serif font for Traditional Chinese on Windows except (P)MingLiU so we should probably keep it until there's a better alternative, hopefully.

Comment 8

[Peter Pin-Guang Chen [:petercpg] (MozTW.org)]

We should also sync font preferences to font.name-list.sans-serif.zh-CN in zh-TW builds only, as Bug 603549 and Bug 677919 are still valid.

See also: https://hg.mozilla.org/l10n-central/zh-TW/rev/eac97260bfd1

Comment 9

[al2m025304]

Do other bugs block this one?