261622 - behave-like-IE extension as default, to stop mutilation of Firefox-program

Status: RESOLVED WONTFIX

(Firefox :: General, enhancement)

Description

[Norbert]

User-Agent:       Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040913 Firefox/0.10
Build Identifier: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040913 Firefox/0.10

I don't like to see Firefx becoming more and more mutilated to just behave like IE.

- In bug 259362, for example there the feature to open the PageInfo-window for
webpages with full-size java applets ore flash animations has been given up to
just have a short cut like IE. Now, one function ine Firefox has 2 short cuts,
the other none.

- In bug 257411 comment #5 the feature to delete multiple history items is given
up to just be like IE. bug 217472 comment #30.


I guess there are much more such examples.





I think a better solution would be to add a simple extension that applies such
IE-behaviours. This extension may be included to Firefox download and activated
by default. But advanced users could uninstall (or just dectivate) this
extension. So there would be no need anymore to mutilate Firefox. Things that
should be IE-like for users who switched from IE to Firefox could be changed in
this extension, not in the Firefox-program anymore!

Reproducible: Always
Steps to Reproduce:

Comment 1

[Jo Hermans]

Are you a candidate to write such an extension ?

Comment 2

[Norbert]

(In reply to comment #1)
> Are you a candidate to write such an extension ?

sorry, no. i can't do this.

I see my tasks more in QA. :-)

Comment 3

[Norbert]

this idea could be extended to such an etxnebsion for each os version:

with such os-specific extensions it would be in general possible to make all
version (windows, linux, ...) more consistent! maybe another extension that
comes with the linux version applies some linux things.

the idea is that that ALL firefox browser are behaving same, if these extensions
are uninstalled/deactivated.


But especially to avoid the problems described in comment #0 I really would like
going this way, to introduce at least such an ie-extension...

I really think that this is worth a discussion!

Comment 4

[Norbert]

(In reply to comment #3)

typing error:
etxnebsion -> extension

Comment 5

[Robert Parenton]

If you or somebody else wants to make an extension to change behavior, go ahead,
but this is INVALID.

Comment 6

[Norbert]

(In reply to comment #5)
> If you or somebody else wants to make an extension to change behavior, go ahead,
> but this is INVALID.

you have not read the comments. such an extension only makes sense if it comes
with firefox installer!

Comment 7

[Norbert]

Robert Parenton:

the idea is to have firefox program conistent and do changes only in this extension!

Comment 8

[Robert Parenton]

Ben makes final decisions, and he or someone on his team made decisions on those
bugs about the behavior he wants, probably with his input.  INVALID

Comment 9

[Norbert]

(In reply to comment #8)
> Ben makes final decisions, and he or someone on his team made decisions on those
> bugs about the behavior he wants, probably with his input.  INVALID

Yes, but these behaviours should be achieved by extension!!! This is the idea!

I'm sure you have not understand the sense of this extensions I mean!

Comment 10

[Norbert]

Robert:
This extension should not remove these behaviours, it should apply them!!! Maybe
you now understand...

Comment 11

[Mike Connor [:mconnor]]

Please stop filing loosely-disguised advocacy bugs.  Your signal to noise level
is exceptionally low, and if you keep it up, you'll lose your bugzilla privs.

As for this bug, you're missing the point, again, and I'm losing what little
patience I have left.  I've explained why we've made these decisions, and
whether you like/agree with them, continuing to file new bugs with different
approaches is not going to get you anywhere.

And as a final note, I do understand, perfectly, what you're asking for here. 
We're not going to do this.  End of story.

Comment 12

[Norbert]

> I've explained why we've made these decisions, and
> whether you like/agree with them

As I have already explained: I don't want to revoke these decisions, I only
would like to have them done by extension.

But I don't want to argue anymore, you are to arrogant...

Comment 13

[Mike Connor [:mconnor]]

If I was arrogant I wouldn't bother responding to most of your comments.  If
you're wrong, I'll tell you that you're wrong, without sugar-coating it.

Really, if there were to be a sane extension, it would be one that when
installed, implemented the same keyboard shortcuts cross-platform.  This would
be far easier to build/maintain, and would only be needed by those who really
want utterly identical apps cross-platform.

Plus, it wouldn't bloat the installer for all of the people who either a) use
the app on a single platform or b) want apps to behave like native apps on
whatever platform they're using.  Which based on feedback is a vast majority of
users.

Comment 14

[Norbert]

(In reply to comment #11)
> Your signal to noise level
> is exceptionally low, and if you keep it up, you'll lose your bugzilla privs.

I already have submit many bugs that were not found by somebody else. This
should be enough "signal"...

Comment 15

[Norbert]

(In reply to comment #13)

This the kind of discussion I mean. Its hard to get them out of you! :-)

Comment 16

[Mike Connor [:mconnor]]

mostly because the time I spend if I stop and explain every decision, in detail,
I spend less time fixing the things that do need fixing.  To present, in
writing, a well reasoned argument against most bugs takes me anywhere from 15-30
minutes, if I'm trying to be professional and for-the-record.

Maybe you should just hang out on IRC, bounce ideas off people there.  Its an
easier forum to bring stuff up, as opposed to the relative formality of a bug here.