390089 - filtering by subject or sender applied only after quitting and re-launching TB

Status: RESOLVED DUPLICATE of bug 178870

(Thunderbird :: General, defect)

Description

[Ray Kiddy]

Sorry if this is a dupe, but I looked for other bugs.

If I see a message in one newsgroup, there seems to be no way to filter out a particular sender and have that same sender's messages removed from other newsgroups. Does one have to create the filter for each and every newsgroup separately?

Perhaps there is a way to do this and I am just not understanding the UI.

I read that there are bugs with adding to kill files. Is something wrong that is preventing the filter from being applied to other newsgroups, or is that not intended?

Comment 1

[Magnus Melin [:mkmelin]]

You can choose to create the filter for the whole news server. In the filter dialog, select the server, not the group.

(Bug 10097 may also interest you...)

Comment 2

[Rolf Leggewie]

This is not a bug.  Thanks Magnus, for helping out.

Comment 3

[Ray Kiddy]

Attachment: picture of "the filter dialog", perhaps...

What do you mean "the filter dialog"? If I have a message in a newsgroup selected and I select the 'Message->Create Filter from Message...", I get a dialog.

Is this the dialog you are referring to?

See the picture of that dialog as I am attaching it? Where does one select the server?

Is there some other way to get to "the filter dialog"? How? I am sorry but if a commonly desired operation is difficult to find, is that a good thing?

Comment 4

[Rolf Leggewie]

(In reply to comment #3)
> What do you mean "the filter dialog"?

"Edit - Find - Search Messages", the shortcut key is "Shift + F".  This dialog is also available the context menu.  In just about the places where you'd expect them, I guess.

Comment 5

[Ray Kiddy]

I know you believe what you say, but please try to meet me half-way on this. The subject of this bug is filtering messages. I do not see the word "filter" anywhere in your reply.

If I want to do something to a message, would the 'Message' menu not be the place I would look? Is there a reason to think the 'Message' menu would not be the place to go to see how to filter a message?

I do not want to edit the message, so why would I even look anywhere in the 'Edit' menu?

I am suspecting that what I am supposed to do it go to the Edit menu (when I do not want to edit the message), the Find sub-menu (when I have the message in front of me and so do not need to find it), then find the message that I already have in front of me and so do not need to find, and then hit the Delete button. But I cannot delete it off the server, so I want to ignore the message. And there is no 'Ignore' or 'Kill' button there.

And this is where anyone would expect them to be?

Comment 6

[Magnus Melin [:mkmelin]]

(In reply to comment #3)
> What do you mean "the filter dialog"? If I have a message in a newsgroup
> selected and I select the 'Message->Create Filter from Message...", I get a
> dialog.
> 
> Is this the dialog you are referring to?
> 
> See the picture of that dialog as I am attaching it? Where does one select the
> server?

No, I mean the one you get e.g. when cliking on a news group, or a news server and then going to Tools > Message filters. Sure, what it applies to could be clearer...

Comment 7

[Ray Kiddy]

Ok, I have decoded the UI and now know how to add a sender to a rule for deleting. So, when I do set up a kill, why do I have to quit Thunderbird and re-launch in order for the kill to take effect? When the result is so delayed, it becomes unclear whether the feature is working at all.

I suspect that I previously added people to the kill list successfully, but I would then continue to see the messages from that person. It took a while before I realized:

- adding the kill rule does not lead to the current messages being filtered

- closing the main window and opening a new window does not lead to killed messages being removed

- flipping the news server indicator so that the messages are re-fetched does not lead to killed messages being removed

- One must entirely quit Thunderbird and then re-launch, and only then do the messages from the person on the kill list become not visible.

It should not be so difficult for a user to add a kill rule and then actually have the messages be gone.

Comment 8

[Ray Kiddy]

version 2.0.0.6 (20070728)

Comment 9

[Magnus Melin [:mkmelin]]

I guess it's all because news filters don't work after the fact, that's bug 178870.