422728 - Junk default preferences

Status: NEW

(Thunderbird :: Preferences, enhancement)

Description

[Bob Lord]

version 3.0a1pre (2008031303)

When I set up a new profile, each time I have to manually change the prefs to say:
1. When I mark messages as junk, Delete them.
2. Mark messages determined to be junk as read.

I think these are reasonable defaults and would propose that we set them as such.

If there is a reasonable concern that some novice users might be confused for a moment when spam mail messages go away (item #1), then I would propose we modify the "You are turning on the spam engine" warning to include a "Delete messages when I mark them as junk" checkbox.  That way I never have to go into the prefs when I set up new profiles.

I still think item #2 should be on by default in any case.

Comment 1

[Magnus Melin [:mkmelin]]

I think 1. would be dangerous for new users, best to let them set it them selves.

I have 2. set to false my self. How else would I notice I've got new junk mail to eye through? (And it's not an account but global setting.)

Comment 2

[Thomas D. (:thomas8)]

I'm afraid this bug looks like wontfix, based on Magnus comment #1.
1) We can't make deletion the default. Perhaps we could make "remove to junk folder" the default.
2) Marking read for messages that TB has automatically determined junk is also not a good idea, as Magnus says. Marking read for msgs that are manually set to junk might be ok, but would need a new bug (do we even have the UI for that?).

Comment 3

[Wayne Mery (:wsmwk)]

rkent, bryan,  wontfix?

Comment 4

[Kent James (:rkent)]

I am not in favor of junk settings ever deleting email, even manually. I would be more likely to vote to remove that option than to make it the default.

The bug is confused by multiple requests, but as it stands WONTFIX.

Comment 5

[Bryan Clark (DevTools PM) [:clarkbw]]

I wouldn't mind taking on number 1 but I think we'd need to offer some options.  The first time you mark a message junk it would be good to ask what to do with messages you mark junk.  

(o) Move to Junk
( ) Delete
( ) Nothing

This would help a lot of of user questions I see about trouble changing the Junk preferences to remove messages marked junk.

Comment 6

[Wayne Mery (:wsmwk)]

(In reply to comment #5)
> but I think we'd need to offer some options.
>  The first time you mark a message junk it would be good to ask what to do with
> messages you mark junk.  
> 
> (o) Move to Junk
> ( ) Delete
> ( ) Nothing
> 
> This would help a lot of of user questions I see about trouble changing the
> Junk preferences to remove messages marked junk.

+1 on this idea.  
But "nothing" isn't actually nothing, but rather something like "keep message in folder".

Comment 7

[Bryan Clark (DevTools PM) [:clarkbw]]

Attachment: offer junk mail preferences on first run

I started on this last night so I should upload this out of my queue before it gets lost.

What I have is a different dialog which shows the options for Junk Mail manual handling.  I haven't spent time making the dialog look like how I would want it to look.  Currently it offers you the choice of Move vs. Delete and if you cancel it turns off the manual junk mode.

Comment 8

[Bryan Clark (DevTools PM) [:clarkbw]]

I shouldn't be the assignee for these bugs.  Filter against clarkbfilter to delete all these from your emails.

Comment 9

[Worcester12345]

Need updated patch.