This is the left over work from 37972 and 37976. Address book collection prefs UI need: Descriptive text and editable list box for domains to be excluded from address collection. This has a related delete (from list) pushbutton. Backend needs to be able to handle: List of domains to exclude from the address collection process
moving to future milestone.
Target Milestone: --- → Future
reassigning to chuang.
Assignee: putterman → chuang
Assign it to myself..
QA Contact: pmock → fenella
reassigning to racham
Assignee: chuang → racham
*** Bug 60113 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. ***
*** Bug 99275 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. ***
yeap - you're right! :o)
*** Bug 52637 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. ***
*** Bug 104863 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. ***
*** Bug 165248 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. ***
Marking as an enhancement
Severity: normal → enhancement
*** Bug 154435 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. ***
This seems to only be useful when collecting from incoming mail. Since we're turning that off by default, I'd put this in the wontfix category.
I dont understand why turning off the collection of addresses from incoming mail should mean that this feature should not be implemented. I would personally turn address collection back on. Its very very handy. So this new feature would be useful to me and anyone else who turned it back on. Also, here is an additional aspect to filtering out certain addresses from the collection process that I originally subitted in bug #165248. If the email address to be collected is already in one of my address books, I dont want to see it in the collected addresses, even if the display name is different. Already have it. Dont need it again.
We didn't turn off outgoing address collection, only incoming. Given the exponential increase in spam, collection of incoming addresses is a fundamentally flawed approach. With spam detection, it'll be possible to do this better, but the collection should happen at the point the message is determined not to be spam, rather than arrival in the mailbox. In any case, neither outgoing nor non-spam collection seem to need a domain screen since you're taking an overt action that confirms you communicate with that person. Your other point about duplicate names is a different bug than this and is also more general than just collecting addresses. Whenever an address will be duplicated for any reason, some more sensible thing should take place. I don't know if there's already a bug on this...
Thanks, I see where this is coming from now. But you should understand that not everyone is plagued by spam. Some people have corporate-wide, or ISP-wide, or their own spam filtering that does a very very good job. In that case, an occasional look thru of collected addresses to delete the very small amount of spam that gets thru is no burden, and for me, the collection process gives me subsequent auto-completion of names for outgoing email that is valuable. Problem is that there are still domains from which I want to see email and dont want to filter out as spam. (autogenerated notifications of cvs checkins from the cvs machine as well as some mailing lists I am on that use a unique Sender name for each email. ) But I dont want them in my collected email addresses. I hope collection of incoming addresses does not become unsupported, and I will always be able to turn it back on. On the same topic, I say that it would be handy to have incoming vs outgoing collected addresses added to different address books, as I am certainly more likely to want to move the the collected outgoing ones to my main address book. That would be useful for those of us wanting to collect outgoing addresses also, but perhaps a different bug. I would be happy to submit a new bug for the other request I made.
I wasn't even thinking of spam either, I couldn't work out why you would want to turn off incoming at all! :) Can now of course. My corp network gets basically zip spam, and after thinking about where my desires really lie, I want to be able to exclude domains from collection in outgoing mails. I can't really think of any example for this other than mine.... I can send email to firstname.lastname@example.org and it will send them a page, or to email@example.com and it will just send them an email. Problem is, for whatever reason, (presumably because e is before w, or maybe just the most recent use of the address) If I type in user in the TO: field, see it expand to the users name, and then compose a message and send, I've once or twice missed seeing that it had actually expanded the epage address, not the normal work address. :) Someone got a bit upset at me paging them at 3 in the morning once :) But anyway, that's such a small case, and so obscure that I'm certainly not going to be jumping up and down demanding this be fixed. That doesn't mean I think it should be wontfixed though. It's not like other wontfixes that would change things irrevocably, or break netiquette or similar, it's an very minor enhancement, with almost zero chance of getting fixed, but still, should someone find it, they won't discard it immediately, someone with enough interest may (yeah, and pigs might fly) decide that it is very important to them and fix it. *shrugs* Of course, if they find it as wontfix, they can still do all that, so I guess it just depends how moz tracks bugs. Cheers, Karl P
If there isn't already a bug about allowing choice of address books for address collection, that would be a good one to file. I would just make both kinds able to go to any AB with a dropdown selector and then set appropriate defaults. The other concern is very overlapped with the problem of autocomplete sorting. I think there is already at least one bug on that topic :-) What we do today doesn't seem entirely sane to me. Enh, Future is an OK state to leave this in given where you're coming from. Thanks for responding!
Hello -- it's my opinion that solution is not the simple turn "off" of inbound collection, but what I describe in bug #104863#c6. -GA
this is #c2 in bug #104863
Assignee: racham → sspitzer
I see the point to turning off collection of all incoming addresses. There would be a few cases where this would still be useful though. Rather than eliminating the CAB functionality altogether, perhaps it could only collect addresses in messages coming from people who are already in your address book. I am constantly manually harvesting email addresses from the CC list of messages from friends. Maybe this would be a good second life for the CAB rather than depreciating its use.
Product: Core → MailNews Core
Assignee: mail → nobody
Component: Address Book → MailNews: Address Book
Product: Mozilla Application Suite → Core
QA Contact: nbaca → addressbook
Target Milestone: Future → ---
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