This bug deals with the potential productization changes for the getting started page in bug #428145 Read bug #428145 for more details. If you think your locale needs to have some link changes in the above bug, propose them here for approval. If you don't, just close the bug.
Work: "Google Docs" "remember the milk" are okay, "LinkedIn" is not. For "LinkedIn" "xing.de" is appropiate in Germany. Learn: "Wikipedia" is okay, "Topix" and "HowStuffWorks.com" are not. I have no replacement for them right now Play: "YouTube" is okay, I'm unsure about "Miro", but "Hype Machine" is not. I have no replacement for them right now. Connect: "Facebook" is okay, but "craigslist" and "Yelp" are not. I have no replacement for them right now.
I've asked a friend right now. Perhaps she could help us. I'll report when I got a reply.
Work: ok on xing.de -- i will contact them to let them know Play: Instead of HypeMachine how about http://www.lastfm.de/? Connect: for Craig's list what about http://www.kijiji.de/ or http://geo.craigslist.org/iso/de
(In reply to comment #1) I got an answer. Lets try to integrate it... > Work: > "Google Docs" "remember the milk" are okay, "LinkedIn" is not. For "LinkedIn" > "xing.de" is appropiate in Germany. It should be xing.com. > Learn: > > "Wikipedia" is okay, "Topix" and "HowStuffWorks.com" are not. I have no > replacement for them right now An equivalent for Topix doesn't seem to exist in Germany. We only have local sites which report new about local areas e.g http://www.derwesten.de/ > Play: Instead of HypeMachine how about http://www.lastfm.de/? last.fm sounds good. > Connect: > > "Facebook" is okay, but "craigslist" and "Yelp" are not. I have no replacement > for them right now. The friend proposed http://www.qype.com/. Looks like a good replacement site.
for wikipedia can you make sure it's the german version (de.wikipedia.org) ok on xing.com ok on last.fm ok on www.qype.com, i think http://www.kijiji.de/ is still also good, oK?
can we accept these changes and close this bug?
qype.com and kijiji.de are okay for me. This leaves Learn with Topix and HowStuffWorks.com, for which I couldn't come up with a replacement.
(In reply to comment #7) > This leaves Learn with Topix and HowStuffWorks.com, for which I couldn't come > up with a replacement. One thing I could propose for the latter link is "Die Sendung mit der Maus". There are not too much explanations of how things work but its a familiar television show on Sunday which is known by nearly all German people. Here are some examples: http://www.wdrmaus.de/sachgeschichten/fdw_liste.phtml?lang=de
Coming back to Topix, what about http://www.meinestadt.de/ ? It's not really a community driven news website but holds several information including events for nearly all cities of Germany.
thanks for suggestions. for comment #8 the purpose is to show off best of web in your language within the context of Learn. so suggestion in comment #9 makes more sense with this criteria but given that suggestion in comment #8 is for a website for the TV show i'm not sure it's as good a fit. is there other good German sites that are good for learning?
Perhaps we can find something useful on that page: http://www.fh-augsburg.de/informatik/projekte/mebib/fidb/lexika.html Something like http://www.wissen.de/ could be a good choice.
Not sure, and as a TV junkie I'm not good to find non-TV stuff. I tried http://www.dmoz.org/World/Deutsch/Zuhause/Heimwerken/, but the stuff there didn't appeal to me. Not that howstuffworks.com would, either. http://www.jr-x.de/heimwerken/ doesn't have a lot, but at least it's somewhat good. http://www.heimwerker-tipps.net/ looked better still. I'd think that some diy pages would be a fun combination with FOSS.
IMO we shouldn't limit the topics to only 'Heimwerken'.
Henrik - what's the final recommendation? i'm ok with the various suggestions that have been made also - we should reach out to these companies to let them know we are recommnding them. we don't need their permission, just a nice email informing them of our suggestions. shall i do this or will you?
Ok, so let us do a summary if we talk about the same recommendations: Work: "Google Docs" => OK "remember the milk" => OK "LinkedIn" => "xing.com" Learn: "Wikipedia" => http://de.wikipedia.org "Topix" => http://www.meinestadt.de/ "HowStuffWorks.com" => http://www.wissen.de/ Play: "YouTube" => OK "Miro" => OK "Hype Machine" => http://www.lastfm.de/ Connect: "Facebook" => OK "craigslist" => http://www.kijiji.de/ "Yelp" => ??? So one site is left. Did I miss something or what can we use instead of Yelp? We should find a replacement ASAP. Perhaps there is something listed on this site: http://fudder.de/artikel/2008/04/09/175-internet-communitys/ Mic, it would be nice if you could send out the email when we finished our replacement list.
I think qype.com is quite good as a replacement for yelp. I'm not comfortable with "Topix" => http://www.meinestadt.de/ But unfortunately there seems to be no real fit here in Germany. Maybe we should consider taking something completely unrelated, someting special for Germany?
Abdulkadir, you can totally do that i.e., something special for Germany that you think would be great for German users. What's your idea?
site is ready now, reopen if you want changes after Firefox 3 launch
Thanks for reminding. I would like to propose www.ehrensenf.de It's not totally unique to Germany as it started as a Rocketboom.com copy, but it has developed and is independend anyway. It's on the line between professional and amateurish, which makes it even more interesting IMHO.
abdulkadir, it's very late in the process to make changes on this page :/ Do you have a 110x65 pixels logo for this site ? I don't think I have time to hack one myself
Unfortunately I don't have any logo, but I don't think it's that urgent, isn't it possible to change it after the Firefox 3 release?
after the release is fine, ping me then otherwise I will probably forget about it :)
Hello Pascal, since Firefox 3 is out now, can we get this in?
sorry for not responding, I missed your last comment. Stas is going to help us on Getting started localized pages, so I am CCing him.
Hi there, anything I can do to speed this up?
Sorry guys for being quiet on this. I'm on it right now.
Would you like to put http://www.ehrensenf.de/ instead of http://www.meinestadt.de/ (which is currently replacing Topix)? BTW. I think the link to Yelp could be http://www.qype.co.uk/de/places instead of http://www.qype.co.uk/. On Facebook: I heard that the StudiVZ sites were quite popular, and Alexa seems to confirm that. There's been some controversy though about similarity to Facebook. Are they really that popular in Germany?
(In reply to comment #27) > Would you like to put http://www.ehrensenf.de/ instead of > http://www.meinestadt.de/ (which is currently replacing Topix)? yes > BTW. I think the link to Yelp could be http://www.qype.co.uk/de/places instead > of http://www.qype.co.uk/. actually it should be http://www.qype.com/de/places > On Facebook: I heard that the StudiVZ sites were quite popular, and Alexa seems > to confirm that. There's been some controversy though about similarity to > Facebook. Are they really that popular in Germany? It's true, StudiVZ is quite popular around here. I guess it will go away in 12 to 18 month, cause it's a copy of Facebook from 2 years ago, but right now it's much more popular than Facebook.
ehrensenf.de is a fun podcast thing and not a community thing, and I don't think it's a good thing to be advertised by us. StudiVZ is surely more popular than Facebook in Germany and Austria, and is practically the same thing (the even had legal problems with Facebook one time, as they were being accused of being a straight copy). StudiVZ might not be as open in terms of APIs etc. but they're surely the most popular such service in the German-speaking world.
Robert, ehrensenf.de is being produced more or less professionally, it may not be my favorite website, but why shouldn't we advertise it? Apperently there is no community site like "Topix" here in Germany.
Why should we promote a more or less professionally produced podcast site in the place of a (community) news portal? I'd rather go and put a non-community new portal there.
Well, I proposed a different, but original German website in  since there is nothing like topix here and we already have a regular news portal in the bookmarks toolbar for Firefox. Since this "getting started" page is for Firefox 3 only, that would be an unnecessary duplication. Why are you so opposed to ehrensenf.de? Do you have anything specific in mind instead?
I have experience with the Ehrensenf guys advertising an online game and almost killing the fun of it by getting over 1000 one-time tryers and illegal duplicate accounts and the obligate couple of dumbasses on there as well, but that's merely a personal thing. I just wonder if there is nothing out there we can link that's more in line with the Mozilla spirit.
I have no personal attachment to ehrensenf.de, I just like to watch the videos every once in a while. But honestly nothing elee comes to mind, to replace it. So, if you'd like to propose something, we can discuss that.
Sorry, I don't have good ideas there either :(
The objective of this page is to provide a few starting points they could use to enjoy the web and get the most out of Firefox. We want to promote community/user oriented collaborative sites with good user experience in the locale and good standards support. Looking at the link Henrik posted.. what do you think about http://www.wer-weiss-was.de/ ? Other websites from the Ratgebercommunitys category look interesting too. (As well as travel and books.) What do you think?
Stas, that website is just a fancy looking forum, nothing special. Unfortuntaly most entries on that list are overly commercial. So, I'm standing by my choice ehrensenf.de, no website is perfect, but at least it's more original than any site on that list.
Actually, it looks to me like http://www.readersedition.de/ is something quite similar to Topix.
That's great Robert. I would vote for ReadersEdition which looks more community-based and definitely covers more areas of news.
I'm not so sure about the quality of that portal, but it's more in line with Topix than ehrensenf.de that's for sure. So, I'd also go with that. Thanks for suggesting it, Robert.
(In reply to comment #28) > actually it should be http://www.qype.com/de/places Yep, thanks. Or, we could make it www.qype.de which redirects to qype.com/de which is a overall landing page for German Qype. (In reply to comment #38) > Actually, it looks to me like http://www.readersedition.de/ is something quite > similar to Topix. Awesome! It looks like a really good recommendation, especially judging from Henrik's and Abdulkadir's comments :) Let's go with it. What about Facebook/StudiVZ? Would you like to change it or should we leave Facebook?
At a seminar on Social Web this Friday (that's where I heard about Reader's Edition) I was told Facebook is vastly more popular in Austria, while StudiVZ is surely more popular in Germany. I think either one is fine for us to go with.
Just an informal link why Readers Edition was created by Netzzeitung: http://www.netzeitung.de/ueberuns/403168.html