51015 - Microsoft should use Mozilla

Status: RESOLVED INVALID

(Tech Evangelism Graveyard :: English US, defect, P1)

Description

[Jason Kersey]

Please make this happen.

Comment 1

[Zach Lipton [:zach]]

Kerz--

What are you thinking. Are you saying that we should tell MS to junk IE and 
use mozilla. That's not our job, we just bug people about using 
nonstandard tags that mozilla/netscape 6 won't support. Marking bug 
invalid. 

Comment 2

[Blake Ross]

Reopening.   I agree that marketshare could increase a bit if Microsoft started 
using Mozilla.  Hopefully they will embed it into Windows, Office, Encarta, and 
all of the other programs that simply can't work without embedded web browsers 
(despite what you THINK you recall, we never had operating systems or word 
processors without web browers preinstalled).

I will work with Microsoft to make this happen.

Comment 3

[Stephen Koren]

Assigning to myself, and setting Blake to QA Contact. While Blake has been on 
vacation, I've been incessantly badgering the MS people to bundle Mozilla into 
every one of their software programs. I think I can make it happen. I'll attach 
the formal letter right before I send it over to MS.

Comment 4

[Stephen Koren]

Really reassigning to myself...

Comment 5

[Stephen Koren]

Attachment: Letter to Microsoft

Comment 6

[Blake Ross]

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Comment 7

[Matthew T (active 1999-2002)]

The attached letter has several critical-severity bugs, so I doubt it will get r= 
from anybody.

* Mozilla is not a `web browser', it is an Internet suite.
* Mozilla is not `infinitely better than Microsoft Internet Explorer'. Last time
  I measured, it was 17.3 percent better.
* As far as I know, Encarta is not part of Microsoft Office. If Encarta is indeed
  available in Microsoft Office 2000 Ultra-Professional Advanced Active Plus
  Edition, please let me know (so that I may order^H^H^H^H^Hcurse Microsoft's
  attempts at `integration').
* `Royalty fees will be minor in comparison to this superb browser offered to
  you.' Royalty fees of what? Whatchew talking 'bout, Willis?
* The sentence beginning `Please respond ...' should start a new paragraph.
* You have made a typo: the text`hunt you all down and kill you' should in fact
  read `bombard you with fluffy green lizard soft toys'.
* You are not an official member of the Mozilla Organization, and claiming that
  you are could expose you to a number of very nasty lawyers.
* The letter is in plaintext format, a format which is not known to be used or
  understood by anyone at Microsoft. I suggest you save as .doc or as MSHTML
  instead. <msxml xmlns="schemas-microsoft-com-msoffice" space-run="no">

Comment 8

[Stephen Koren]

I'm extremely sorry mpt, good thing I haven't sent the letter yet. I shall make
the necessary revisions as soon as possible. And I wasn't implying that Encarta
was part of Office, just that Mozilla should be bundled into it. Oh, and I was
going to attach it as a .doc file, but couldn't figure out how to make an
attachment like that. Will link my next letter if I can't upload it as a .doc.

Comment 9

[Stephen Koren]

Attachment: Letter to Microsoft (Revised)

Comment 10

[Blake Ross]

to sk3

Comment 11

[Stephen Koren]

Apparently Microsoft doesn't want to bundle Mozilla with everything they make. I
still can't figure out why, though. I'm still working on this, and I'm preparing
another proposal. Futuring this and hpping that Microsoft will turn around and I
won't have to mark this as a WONTFIX.

Comment 12

[Jason Kersey]

Sorry, but no.  This should have been top priority from the beginning!

Marking as such!

Comment 13

[Blake Ross]

Putting on [fixitnoworgetfiredandburninhellforever+] radar.

Comment 14

[Stephen Koren]

Damn, I thought I could get away on that one. Considering nominating for
[holdbillgatesatgunpoint]. Blake?

Comment 15

[Matthew T (active 1999-2002)]

M1? Wow. Well, since this is M1, time to revisit a few (unfortunately) memorable 
Bugzilla spams which have happened since M1 was released ...

* `M1 has been out for a while now, these bugs' milestones need to be updated.'

* `This bug has been marked "Future" because the original engineer working on
  this is over-burdened. If you feel this is an error, that you or another
  known resource will be working on this bug,or if it blocks your work in some
  way -- please attach your concern to the bug for reconsideration.'
  -- [e-mail]

* `Adding ue2 because i felt like it?' -- [e-mail]

* `Adding self to CC' -- various self-important people

Comment 16

[Anthony Brown]

May I suggest bundling a free copy of Antiword with every download of Mozilla? 
We will surely have won the hearts of our beloved friends when they see that we
have adopted both their file format and their bundling strategy:

http://www.winfield.demon.nl/index.html

Comment 17

[Zach Lipton [:zach]]

I joined the PDT team, now I can [mustgetfixedfor1.0++++] bugs like this :)

Comment 18

[Jacob Steenhagen]

I agree that this should be top priority.  It would finally allow me to trash IE
once and for all!

Comment 19

[Loco]

Being that I'd like Microsoft to bundle Mozilla with next revision of Office for 
the Mac, Office 2081, Changing Platform and OS to ALL.  -d

Adding random person to CC: list.  
Failed.  He doesn't have an account.  Bummer.

Comment 20

[Matthew T (active 1999-2002)]

PDT says [mustgetfixedfor1.0-]. This is a high-visibility non-working feature, 
and as such we don't need it for this release. Let's redesign the Modern skin 
again instead.

Now this is the part where you all scream and yell at me.

Comment 21

[Loco]

Can I jump up and down too?  While screaming?

Comment 22

[Brian 'netdragon' Bober]

I think Microsoft should use Linux too.

Comment 23

[Matthias Versen [:Matti]]

I mark this bug fixed.
Take a look at bug 75473

Comment 24

[Greg Miller]

> I think Microsoft should use Linux too.

I think they should go with FreeBSD. Once they start adding new kernel panic
bugs to the OS, they'll need softupdates to avoid disk corruption.

Comment 25

[Loco]

Matti, unfortunately I can't verify this-that post is from one poster only, and 
as such, not independently verifiable.  Plus, just because they have people that 
work there and use Mac Office doesn't mean they, as a company, use macs.  The 
point here being that they should use mozilla-for all we know, that reporter was 
using it only to copy features off of it (heh).  

As such, REOPENing.

Comment 26

[Stephen Koren]

This will not be fixed per some bastards at Microsoft.

Comment 27

[Ian Tommins ('thelem')]

verifying wontfix.

Comment 28

[Bob Clary [:bc] (inactive)]

All Evangelism Bugs are now in the Product Tech Evangelism. See bug 86997 for
details.

Comment 29

[Alex Hosking]

Hey can I say this shouldent be wontfix because in the unlikelely event that
Mico$oft did choose to Mozilla, you woulden't be able to do any thing about it
so this bug should be marked "invalid"

Comment 30

[Robert Accettura [:raccettura]]

Attachment: AP Photo: Microsoft Provided photo of new search tool

Yahoo today has a picture of Microsoft's new search using *firefox*.  The photo
text reads:

This photo provided by Microsoft shows Their search tool and the prefenece
rankings that can be defined by the user. (AP Photo/HO/Microsoft)

Emphasis on "provided by Microsoft".

Comment 31

[Tony Mechelynck [:tonymec]]

For the first time since I've gone Linux-only several years ago, this bug made me regret that I have no working Windows system anymore — so I could vote for it. What I wonder is why in h??? no one else voted for it.

Comment 32

[Tony Mechelynck [:tonymec]]

Tech Evangelism bugs are not to be resolved WONTFIX, see http://www.mozilla.org/projects/tech-evangelism/site/procedures.html

"Do not use WONTFIX as a Tech Evangelism resolution. Instead mark sites that have responded that they do not intend to update their content with a not-responsive in the status whiteboard."

Comment 33

[Lawrence Mandel [:lmandel] (use needinfo)]

Tony, you reopened a bug that was closed 10 years ago. I assume this was part of a mass bug update. Given the content in this bug it should remain in the resolved state. I am resolving as invalid as I do not think this bug fits in with the current tech evangelism description.

Comment 34

[Chris Lawson (gone)]

I don't think it ever *did* fit in with whatever the "goal" of TE was, but I also think WONTFIX was perfectly appropriate for a resolution.

Comment 35

[Tony Mechelynck [:tonymec]]

In reply to comment #33: Hey guys, can't you take a joke? This bug is listed under "Fun bugs" at https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=saved-searches

So Mozilla is now "all work no play". I'll remember. :-(

Comment 36

[Lawrence Mandel [:lmandel] (use needinfo)]

Tony, that explains so much. Talk about missing the joke. :)