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Microsoft should use Mozilla

RESOLVED INVALID

Status

Tech Evangelism Graveyard
English US
P1
critical
RESOLVED INVALID
17 years ago
2 years ago

People

(Reporter: Jason Kersey, Unassigned)

Tracking

({helpwanted})

Details

(Whiteboard: [mostdrek], [mustgetfixedfor1.0-], not-responsive, URL)

Attachments

(3 attachments)

(Reporter)

Description

17 years ago
Please make this happen.

Comment 1

17 years ago
Kerz--

What are you thinking. Are you saying that we should tell MS to junk IE and 
use mozilla. That's not our job, we just bug people about using 
nonstandard tags that mozilla/netscape 6 won't support. Marking bug 
invalid. 
Status: NEW → RESOLVED
Last Resolved: 17 years ago
Resolution: --- → INVALID

Comment 2

17 years ago
Reopening.   I agree that marketshare could increase a bit if Microsoft started 
using Mozilla.  Hopefully they will embed it into Windows, Office, Encarta, and 
all of the other programs that simply can't work without embedded web browsers 
(despite what you THINK you recall, we never had operating systems or word 
processors without web browers preinstalled).

I will work with Microsoft to make this happen.
Status: RESOLVED → REOPENED
Resolution: INVALID → ---

Comment 3

17 years ago
Assigning to myself, and setting Blake to QA Contact. While Blake has been on 
vacation, I've been incessantly badgering the MS people to bundle Mozilla into 
every one of their software programs. I think I can make it happen. I'll attach 
the formal letter right before I send it over to MS.
Status: REOPENED → ASSIGNED
QA Contact: zach → BlakeR1234

Comment 4

17 years ago
Really reassigning to myself...
Assignee: BlakeR1234 → sk3iii
Status: ASSIGNED → NEW

Updated

17 years ago
Status: NEW → ASSIGNED

Comment 5

17 years ago
Created attachment 13912 [details]
Letter to Microsoft

Comment 6

17 years ago
.
Assignee: sk3iii → BlakeR1234
Status: ASSIGNED → NEW

Comment 7

17 years ago
The attached letter has several critical-severity bugs, so I doubt it will get r= 
from anybody.

* Mozilla is not a `web browser', it is an Internet suite.
* Mozilla is not `infinitely better than Microsoft Internet Explorer'. Last time
  I measured, it was 17.3 percent better.
* As far as I know, Encarta is not part of Microsoft Office. If Encarta is indeed
  available in Microsoft Office 2000 Ultra-Professional Advanced Active Plus
  Edition, please let me know (so that I may order^H^H^H^H^Hcurse Microsoft's
  attempts at `integration').
* `Royalty fees will be minor in comparison to this superb browser offered to
  you.' Royalty fees of what? Whatchew talking 'bout, Willis?
* The sentence beginning `Please respond ...' should start a new paragraph.
* You have made a typo: the text`hunt you all down and kill you' should in fact
  read `bombard you with fluffy green lizard soft toys'.
* You are not an official member of the Mozilla Organization, and claiming that
  you are could expose you to a number of very nasty lawyers.
* The letter is in plaintext format, a format which is not known to be used or
  understood by anyone at Microsoft. I suggest you save as .doc or as MSHTML
  instead. <msxml xmlns="schemas-microsoft-com-msoffice" space-run="no">

Comment 8

17 years ago
I'm extremely sorry mpt, good thing I haven't sent the letter yet. I shall make
the necessary revisions as soon as possible. And I wasn't implying that Encarta
was part of Office, just that Mozilla should be bundled into it. Oh, and I was
going to attach it as a .doc file, but couldn't figure out how to make an
attachment like that. Will link my next letter if I can't upload it as a .doc.

Comment 9

17 years ago
Created attachment 13958 [details]
Letter to Microsoft (Revised)

Comment 10

17 years ago
to sk3
Assignee: BlakeR1234 → sk3iii

Updated

17 years ago
Status: NEW → ASSIGNED

Updated

17 years ago
QA Contact: blakeross → kerz

Comment 11

17 years ago
Apparently Microsoft doesn't want to bundle Mozilla with everything they make. I
still can't figure out why, though. I'm still working on this, and I'm preparing
another proposal. Futuring this and hpping that Microsoft will turn around and I
won't have to mark this as a WONTFIX.
Target Milestone: --- → Future
(Reporter)

Comment 12

17 years ago
Sorry, but no.  This should have been top priority from the beginning!

Marking as such!
Target Milestone: Future → M1

Comment 13

17 years ago
Putting on [fixitnoworgetfiredandburninhellforever+] radar.
Severity: normal → critical
Priority: P3 → P1
Whiteboard: [fixitnoworgetfiredandburninhellforever+]

Comment 14

17 years ago
Damn, I thought I could get away on that one. Considering nominating for
[holdbillgatesatgunpoint]. Blake?

Updated

17 years ago
Keywords: UE2
Whiteboard: [fixitnoworgetfiredandburninhellforever+] → [mostdrek]
Target Milestone: M1 → Future

Comment 15

17 years ago
M1? Wow. Well, since this is M1, time to revisit a few (unfortunately) memorable 
Bugzilla spams which have happened since M1 was released ...

* `M1 has been out for a while now, these bugs' milestones need to be updated.'

* `This bug has been marked "Future" because the original engineer working on
  this is over-burdened. If you feel this is an error, that you or another
  known resource will be working on this bug,or if it blocks your work in some
  way -- please attach your concern to the bug for reconsideration.'
  -- everyone@netscape.com

* `Adding ue2 because i felt like it?' -- timeless@bemail.org

* `Adding self to CC' -- various self-important people

Comment 16

17 years ago
May I suggest bundling a free copy of Antiword with every download of Mozilla? 
We will surely have won the hearts of our beloved friends when they see that we
have adopted both their file format and their bundling strategy:

http://www.winfield.demon.nl/index.html

Comment 17

17 years ago
I joined the PDT team, now I can [mustgetfixedfor1.0++++] bugs like this :)
Whiteboard: [mostdrek] → [mostdrek], [mustgetfixedfor1.0++++]

Updated

17 years ago
Whiteboard: [mostdrek], [mustgetfixedfor1.0++++] → [mostdrek], [mustgetfixedfor1.0]

Comment 18

17 years ago
I agree that this should be top priority.  It would finally allow me to trash IE
once and for all!

Comment 19

17 years ago
Being that I'd like Microsoft to bundle Mozilla with next revision of Office for 
the Mac, Office 2081, Changing Platform and OS to ALL.  -d

Adding random person to CC: list.  
Failed.  He doesn't have an account.  Bummer.
OS: Windows 2000 → All
Hardware: PC → All

Updated

17 years ago
Whiteboard: [mostdrek], [mustgetfixedfor1.0] → [mostdrek], [mustgetfixedfor1.0 need info]

Comment 20

17 years ago
PDT says [mustgetfixedfor1.0-]. This is a high-visibility non-working feature, 
and as such we don't need it for this release. Let's redesign the Modern skin 
again instead.

Now this is the part where you all scream and yell at me.
Whiteboard: [mostdrek], [mustgetfixedfor1.0 need info] → [mostdrek], [mustgetfixedfor1.0-]

Updated

17 years ago
Keywords: helpwanted

Comment 21

17 years ago
Can I jump up and down too?  While screaming?

Updated

17 years ago
Depends on: 60455

Updated

16 years ago
Blocks: 59921
I think Microsoft should use Linux too.
I mark this bug fixed.
Take a look at bug 75473
Status: ASSIGNED → RESOLVED
Last Resolved: 17 years ago16 years ago
Resolution: --- → FIXED

Comment 24

16 years ago
> I think Microsoft should use Linux too.

I think they should go with FreeBSD. Once they start adding new kernel panic
bugs to the OS, they'll need softupdates to avoid disk corruption.

Comment 25

16 years ago
Matti, unfortunately I can't verify this-that post is from one poster only, and 
as such, not independently verifiable.  Plus, just because they have people that 
work there and use Mac Office doesn't mean they, as a company, use macs.  The 
point here being that they should use mozilla-for all we know, that reporter was 
using it only to copy features off of it (heh).  

As such, REOPENing.
Status: RESOLVED → REOPENED
Resolution: FIXED → ---

Comment 26

16 years ago
This will not be fixed per some bastards at Microsoft.
Status: REOPENED → RESOLVED
Last Resolved: 16 years ago16 years ago
Resolution: --- → WONTFIX
verifying wontfix.
Status: RESOLVED → VERIFIED

Updated

16 years ago
Keywords: UE2

Comment 28

16 years ago
All Evangelism Bugs are now in the Product Tech Evangelism. See bug 86997 for
details.
Component: Evangelism → US English
Product: Browser → Tech Evangelism
Target Milestone: Future → ---
Version: other → unspecified

Updated

15 years ago
Blocks: 123456

Updated

15 years ago
No longer blocks: 123456

Updated

15 years ago
No longer blocks: 59921

Comment 29

15 years ago
Hey can I say this shouldent be wontfix because in the unlikelely event that
Mico$oft did choose to Mozilla, you woulden't be able to do any thing about it
so this bug should be marked "invalid"
Created attachment 166706 [details]
AP Photo:  Microsoft Provided photo of new search tool

Yahoo today has a picture of Microsoft's new search using *firefox*.  The photo
text reads:

This photo provided by Microsoft shows Their search tool and the prefenece
rankings that can be defined by the user. (AP Photo/HO/Microsoft)

Emphasis on "provided by Microsoft".
For the first time since I've gone Linux-only several years ago, this bug made me regret that I have no working Windows system anymore — so I could vote for it. What I wonder is why in h??? no one else voted for it.
Tech Evangelism bugs are not to be resolved WONTFIX, see http://www.mozilla.org/projects/tech-evangelism/site/procedures.html

"Do not use WONTFIX as a Tech Evangelism resolution. Instead mark sites that have responded that they do not intend to update their content with a not-responsive in the status whiteboard."
Assignee: sk3iii → english-us
Status: VERIFIED → REOPENED
QA Contact: kerz → english-us
Resolution: WONTFIX → ---
Whiteboard: [mostdrek], [mustgetfixedfor1.0-] → [mostdrek], [mustgetfixedfor1.0-], not-responsive
Tony, you reopened a bug that was closed 10 years ago. I assume this was part of a mass bug update. Given the content in this bug it should remain in the resolved state. I am resolving as invalid as I do not think this bug fits in with the current tech evangelism description.
Status: REOPENED → RESOLVED
Last Resolved: 16 years ago6 years ago
Resolution: --- → INVALID

Comment 34

6 years ago
I don't think it ever *did* fit in with whatever the "goal" of TE was, but I also think WONTFIX was perfectly appropriate for a resolution.
In reply to comment #33: Hey guys, can't you take a joke? This bug is listed under "Fun bugs" at https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=saved-searches

So Mozilla is now "all work no play". I'll remember. :-(
Tony, that explains so much. Talk about missing the joke. :)
Product: Tech Evangelism → Tech Evangelism Graveyard
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