Last Comment Bug 64560 - pref to make open in the same window
: pref to make open in the same window
Status: NEW
Product: Core
Classification: Components
Component: DOM: Core & HTML (show other bugs)
: Trunk
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-- enhancement with 23 votes (vote)
: Future
Assigned To: Nobody; OK to take it and work on it
: Andrew Overholt [:overholt]
: 141553 145418 172595 173177 (view as bug list)
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Blocks: window-choice useragent
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Reported: 2001-01-07 06:02 PST by Ben Bucksch (:BenB)
Modified: 2015-06-17 22:29 PDT (History)
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Description User image Ben Bucksch (:BenB) 2001-01-07 06:02:00 PST
(Ignoring pop-up ads (bug 29346) for this bug.)

I hate I know my browser. If I want a new window, I do a
middle-click. If I happen to want a new window (middle-click), and the site also
wants to give me one via, nothing happens (or worse, bug 64559

Just make work like an ordinary link. All of the command for links
should be available, and work the same. I.e. if I do a normal click on it, just
load the URL referenced in the call in the current window. I should
be able to open a context menu and "Open in new window", "Copy link location"
(which will copy the link *only*, not the JS around it) etc..

I know, there is the problem in general that the onclick "script" can contain
more than the single call, and open will. In practice, usually only
the call interests me. (Anything else interesting would be
overloading of the action.)

Now, how to implement this? I don't know.
Comment 1 User image Ben Bucksch (:BenB) 2001-01-07 06:06:30 PST
> and open will

Comment 2 User image Johnny Stenback (:jst, 2001-01-08 21:28:27 PST
Well, even if I tend to agree with you there's not really a whole lot that can
be done about this, there's just too much history behind and if we
change that half of the sites out there will break in ways people won't accept.
IMO the only acceptable way can be changed is to put different
semantics behind a pref you can set if you want the "new" behavior but the
normal call in a fresh mozilla or Netscape installation must
remain as is.

Patches are welcome as always but I doubt Netscape will put any resources into
"fixing" this in the near future. And, is a *really* useful
method, the problem is that people are abusing it like crazy.
Comment 3 User image Ben Bucksch (:BenB) 2001-01-09 14:58:26 PST
> the normal call in a fresh mozilla or Netscape installation must
> remain as is.

Nothing else intended. This is an opt-in feature for users painfully annoyed by
"misleaded" webdesigners.
Comment 4 User image Alfonso Martinez 2002-05-01 14:58:24 PDT
*** Bug 141553 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. ***
Comment 5 User image Jesse Ruderman 2002-05-07 01:21:08 PDT
Adding a "copy real link location" command to javascript links would be about as
impossible as bug 138809.  On the other hand, making the pref "allow web pages
to make links open in new windows" apply to javascript links would only require:
* A flexible fix for bug 55696, "open link in new window" should work for
javascript links.
* A fix for bug 114461, " clobbers js context???".
* Making the entire old document stay around until the javascript is finished
(bug 38486? bug 76495?) in case the is followed by DOM2 copying.

I think this bug should be resummarized as "'Allow web pages to make links open
in new windows' should work for javascript links".
Comment 6 User image Alfonso Martinez 2002-05-18 02:06:53 PDT
*** Bug 145418 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. ***
Comment 7 User image Jesse Ruderman 2002-07-03 10:56:39 PDT
For the case where a javascript: link that opens a window and cloneNodes from
the old window into the new window, the testcase in bug 114461 shows that the
old document stays around long enough for this bug to be fixable.  There's still
the problem that the new-window link expects "document.body" to refer to the old
document, but that might not be hard to fix.
Comment 8 User image Jonas Jørgensen 2002-07-04 02:40:25 PDT
"Allow web pages to make links open in new windows" has been removed (see bug
78037). Restoring original summary.
Comment 9 User image Boris Zbarsky [:bz] (still a bit busy) 2002-10-04 11:03:48 PDT
*** Bug 172595 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. ***
Comment 10 User image Luke Ross 2002-10-07 06:40:41 PDT
As I suggested in 172595, I'd really like a way to *temoprarily* override  Then if you choose to override it, it becomes your problem. 
Most new windows I can stand, but there's times I'd rather it didn't at that
particular time.  A pref is a bit overkill from my point of view.  Any thoughts?
Comment 11 User image Torben 2002-11-12 05:30:14 PST
*** Bug 173177 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. ***
Comment 12 User image Oliver Stewart 2002-11-14 09:46:29 PST
Following is a copy of what was posted to Bug 103843.  It summarizes what I
personally would like in terms of behavior regarding this bug.  In short, what I
would like is a preference to block all new window requests, including those
made in Javascript, with the option to override as described below.

Also, knowing nothing about the way Javascript is implemented, the way I would
normally approach this would be to have several implementations of,
which are switched out by the preference.  Each would encapsulate the behavior
described by the pref, i.e. opening a new window, opening as a normal link, etc.
 I'm guessing it's not as simple as this.  Thoughts?


Ideally, the solution to this would always allow an option to override the
blocking/redirecting behavior.  For example, one could always right-click on a
link and choose, "follow link allowing new windows," to allow whatever
javascript is present in that link to execute, creating a new window if is called.   Additionally, I would like the option in this case to
allow me to specify whether the link will open into a new window (for those
cases where navigation requires it) or a new tab (the common case) - while
retaining the ability to have most new window requests open into the existing
window/tab (or into new tabs, if that's what I've requested).
Comment 13 User image Oliver Stewart 2002-11-14 10:03:16 PST
Clarification: by "block" above, I mean "turn into a normal link."  Sorry for
the possible confusion.
Comment 14 User image Shark Daddy (Jonathan L.) 2002-12-04 16:22:34 PST
So... you want a pref that says 'disable'? This might work, but I
think it'd be better to have the opposite of a normal context menu's 'Open Link
in New Window' so that links are have an 'Open Link in Same Window'.
Comment 15 User image Felix Miata 2002-12-04 16:25:42 PST
Just like Netscape 3!!!
Comment 16 User image Oliver Stewart 2002-12-04 23:00:49 PST
Well, that would be useful too, for those who normally don't mind new windows to
be opened but want a particular link in the same window.  In my case, I use one
browser window for everything, and never want another window opened for
anything, unless I specifically authorize it (the only time I can think of that
I'd want to do this is for a site that has a particularly useful or necessary
navigation page that only is useful when open concurrent to some other page).

So, my biggest desire is to have still work, but not actually open
the new window, but rather follow the link in the same window, and do this for
all links unless I specify otherwise.

In other words, have a pref like "Allow links to open new windows," which, when
unchecked, would translate the behavior of to that of a normal
link - opening in the same window/tab - while still having the option in a
context menu of allowing the javascript to do whatever it wants, or to redirect
the to open a tab, to handle the case where a page wants to open a
navigation window or something which is actually useful as another window.
Comment 17 User image Jesse Ruderman 2002-12-23 20:01:57 PST
Oliver: you don't need special context menu items for overriding the pref
temporarily.  "Open Link in New Window" and "Open Link in New Tab" will work
fine once bug 55696 is fixed.
Comment 18 User image tyl2 2003-03-07 15:59:29 PST
I think that Open Link In Same Window is different from In New Tab. They're both
useful, and should both exist.

Netscape 3...
Comment 19 User image Johnny Stenback (:jst, 2003-03-23 13:47:07 PST
Mass-reassigning bugs to
Comment 20 User image Vaclav Dvorak 2003-12-11 17:12:53 PST
This might actually also be a way to solve the opposite problem - see bug 55696
comment 37.
Comment 21 User image Gérard Talbot 2004-06-17 05:38:48 PDT
I agree that might be an useful method and that people have been
abusing it like crazy during years [and still today abusing it] but overall,
they badly code links and calls. I have looked around a lot and I
can't find a single online tutorial on calls without errors,
mistakes or carelessness regarding accessibility and usability.

For whatever it's worth, I've done some tests on links opening new windows and
the results is crystal clear: pseudo-protocol "javascript:" links are the worse
for Mozilla.

Not included in these testing is the returned info when one examine the link
properties of such links. Mozilla will inform the user in the Link Properties
window that all links without a target attribute will open in the same window
when it's not the case, when all these links open a new window.

I think "javascript:" pseudo-protocol links are the worse for many reasons.
Regarding this bug, if it was possible to desactivate javascript for links only
and hope that consequently links would open in the same window, the result would
be devastating: no document would be loaded since the href value is not a
genuine uri to begin with but javascript code.
I personally think should add the pseudo-protocol "javascript:"
links into its evangelism agenda because it sure is defeating the freedom of the
user (with his prefs) and the versatility+customizability of good browsers like

My 2 cents
Comment 22 User image tommi uimonen 2004-07-14 01:26:44 PDT
The pref should have the possibility to open new windows to new tabs instead.

At least now I use middle click as 'Open in new tab' and that works for
javascript also (they open in new tab instead of new window)
Comment 23 User image tommi uimonen 2004-07-14 02:16:26 PDT
> At least now I use middle click as 'Open in new tab' and that works for
> javascript also (they open in new tab instead of new window)

Correction. Quick test shows that javascript won't open to new tab. 

But at least non-javascripted new window openers could be mapped to "open in new

Comment 24 User image Gérard Talbot 2004-08-17 06:28:40 PDT
> The pref should have the possibility to open new windows to new tabs instead.

Bug 184994, bug 105547 are exactly about this.

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