[sq] Localize Get Involved page + video + email responses

RESOLVED FIXED

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RESOLVED FIXED
6 years ago
6 years ago

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(Reporter: davidwboswell, Assigned: besnik)

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Description

6 years ago
Opening bug to track creating a localization of the Get Involved page with Mike DuPont as the point person.

Comment 1

6 years ago
Thanks, I will coordinate this with the albanian team.
mike

Comment 2

6 years ago
The movie text is reviewed here and ready for approval
http://www.universalsubtitles.org/en/videos/NNxEqfuQSaPN/sq/185310/

The doc for the lang strings we will use this for now 
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1p0hpe0JRU-5I09kdOJVfQOJrgM6BE0tTNOkw29gzXiQ/edit
(Assignee)

Comment 3

6 years ago
Created attachment 665712 [details]
Translation file

Here's the translation for the sq.
(Assignee)

Comment 4

6 years ago
Saved your time and commited it. Here you are:

http://viewvc.svn.mozilla.org/vc/projects/mozilla.com/trunk/locales/sq/mozorg/contribute.lang?view=markup
(Assignee)

Comment 6

6 years ago
And, yes, the movie text looks good as well, never mind that I do not agree with the way the last revision albanize the writing of "web" as "ueb".

Comment 8

6 years ago
we have two versions now, awaiting feedback from all authors and then we can continue. I want to give the new people also a chance so that don't feel like they are wasting their time.
Locale: sq / Albanian
FYI, the staging server for your contribute page is here:
https://www-dev.allizom.org/b/sq/contribute/
Thank, 
please Keep this open until we have feedback from all contributors, 
my purpose here is to get new contributors, that means to respect them, give the feedback and not ignore them. 
thanks
mike
Also we need the translation of these strings :
<select required="true" name="interest" id="id_interest">
<option value="" selected="selected">Area of interest?</option>
<option value="support">Helping Users</option>
<option value="qa">Testing and QA</option>
<option value="coding">Coding</option>
<option value="marketing">Marketing</option>
<option value="issues">I need help with a Firefox issue</option><option value="localization">Localization and Translation</option>
<option value="webdev">Web Development</option>
<option value="addons">Shtesa</option>
<option value="design">Visual Design</option>
<option value="documentation">Developer Documentation</option>
<option value="accessibility">Accessibility</option>
<option value="it">Systems Administration</option>
<option value="research">User Research</option>
<option value="education">Education</option>
<option value="thunderbird">Thunderbird</option>
<option value="other">Other</option>
<option value="suggestions">I have a suggestion for Firefox</option>

</select>
these strings depend on a fix to bug 783202, Paul started working on that and as soon as it get fixed, they will be extracted and merged to the contribute.lang file
The area page is being deleted and merged into contribute page (bug 781914), once this is done the strings will be merged back into contribute.lang
(Assignee)

Updated

6 years ago
Assignee: nobody → besnik

Comment 15

6 years ago
Created attachment 666300 [details]
Bosnian translation for contribute.lang

OK, here's the Bosnian translation of the Get Involved page. If there is anything else to be translated, please let me know either here or via email kerim@mozilla.ba
(Assignee)

Comment 16

6 years ago
Kerim,

You need to contact either dboswell@mozilla.com or pascalc@gmail.com and ask them to create you a SVN account or a bug only for your locale, where you could track all issues and do your work. This is a bug only for sq locale. (See the [sq] on the bug name. That's to indicate that this bug is only for sq locale. You need something similar created for your locale.)
+1, David should file a bug for you and then I will add the locale to the project, if he doesn't, I will tomorrow (it's Sunday ;) )
(Reporter)

Comment 18

6 years ago
(In reply to Pascal Chevrel:pascalc from comment #17)
> +1, David should file a bug for you and then I will add the locale to the
> project, if he doesn't, I will tomorrow (it's Sunday ;) )

Done.  Bug 795779.

Comment 19

6 years ago
I attached the file to this bug as per Mike's instruction. Anyway, I already have an SVN account so no need to create one.

Thanks David for filing a bug for bs locale!
Besnik, I added a folder to your svn repo called emails, it contains automatic responses needing translation that will be sent to people contacting us via the form on the page.
contribute.lang is updated with the newly added paragraphs, please svn update your local copy, thanks.
(Assignee)

Comment 22

6 years ago
Done. r109762
What email address should we use for the contact form ?
(Assignee)

Comment 24

6 years ago
Translation updated, r109765.


(In reply to Pascal Chevrel:pascalc from comment #21)
> contribute.lang is updated with the newly added paragraphs, please svn
> update your local copy, thanks.
(Assignee)

Comment 25

6 years ago
What email address are others locales using or plan to use for that?  

(In reply to Pascal Chevrel:pascalc from comment #23)
> What email address should we use for the contact form ?
(Assignee)

Comment 26

6 years ago
(In reply to James Mike DuPont from comment #10)
> Thank, 
> please Keep this open until we have feedback from all contributors, 
> my purpose here is to get new contributors, that means to respect them, give
> the feedback and not ignore them. 

I've been waiting for any comment from any of them, but so far I've got nothing. They didn't said a word about my suggestion to the draft you brought here. I even offered to svn commit (for testing purposes) the whole draft, so they easily could see it "live". But I had no response to that too.
Leaving the bug open and waiting a bit more hurts nobody though.
(In reply to Besnik Bleta from comment #25)
> What email address are others locales using or plan to use for that?  
> 
> (In reply to Pascal Chevrel:pascalc from comment #23)
> > What email address should we use for the contact form ?

For the French community, we just created an alias (contact@mozfr.org) that goes to my email address, this way we can change the target of the alias if at some point I want to delegate this task to another contributor. I believe Spanish does the same (it used to be nukeador@mozilla-hispano.org but now it is participa@mozilla-hispano.org). For Bengali and Brasilian, it is the personal email of the contributor managing incoming form requests.
Hi there,
about the contact address, 
I would suggest an email mailing list we can setup. I can use google groups, is there a problem with that? something like albanian-mozilla-team@groups.google.com then we can monitor it with a group of people and new people can be added and we have an archive. new people would send to the list and we would have the mails private to the admins.

about keeping this open, we need to do hand-holding and coaxing here to get new people to help. 

please keep this open until i have time to talk to these new guys. We need to give them time to respond and give them a chance to contribute. the last thing we that the new guy produced a text and besnik a text we need to reconcile the differences and go from there.

mike
That sounds good to me and don't worry, I keep the bug open, we are far from ready to push that page live (tons of server/redirect/emails/locales issues to fix and/or priotitize first) :)
(Reporter)

Comment 30

6 years ago
(In reply to James Mike DuPont from comment #28)
> Hi there,
> about the contact address, 
> I would suggest an email mailing list we can setup. I can use google groups,
> is there a problem with that? something like
> albanian-mozilla-team@groups.google.com then we can monitor it with a group
> of people and new people can be added and we have an archive. new people
> would send to the list and we would have the mails private to the admins.

If you'd like to be able to share the responsibility of responding to incoming messages with a group, I suggest doing what Pascal did and setting up an alias.

We can't have these inquiries go to a public mailing list since the communications with potential volunteers and the contact information they send can't be public.  Once they become contributors, they can make the choice of making that information public by using our public tools (like Bugzilla, etc).

For reference, there is currently a private mailing list where archives of all messages are kept (contribute at mozilla dot org).
I wrote : "we would have the mails private to the admins." we have a list like that flossk-private@googlegroups.com, that no one can read. that is what i was thinking.
(Assignee)

Comment 32

6 years ago
(In reply to James Mike DuPont from comment #8)
> we have two versions now, awaiting feedback

I'm pasting here my concerns already made public to the "[Reps-General] translation of landing page" thread a month ago:

"Mundësi vullnetare"  should be either "Mundësi vullnetarizmi" or something else. The text talks about the act of volunteering, so it needs a name to name that act, not and adjective.

Mozilla, Firefox, Thunderbird are registered trade mark names and as such shouldn't be changed following grammatical rules of sq. "Mozillës", Mozillën" need to be changed to "Mozilla-s" "Mozilla-n", in the same way used, say, in "Firefox-in"...

"open video" refers to a video standard here, as in "open source", not to the act of opening a video. In other words, the context is that the browser should support "open videos", rather than to be able "to open" videos.

"Quality Assurance" I think refers to the steps taken to assure a certain quality, not to a more legal involved kind of "guaranty". That's why I think translating that as "Garancia e Cilësisë" is a bit tricky from the legal point of view, and misinterpretation of the practical act. Testing a Mozilla product for quality assurance purposes does not offer ANY guaranty, it only helps to find out how the whole thing or new features are working in a newer version. Or an older one for that matter. At least this is my idea of it.

No matter what we agree to translate it, it has nothing that makes it "madhështore". Could you please change that to something of a less hype? :) (Suggestion: "rrugë e bukur", "mënyrë tërheqëse", "udhë e hijshme", "mënyrë e lezetshme" etj...)
Please note that we should soon be able to publish pages again on a per locale/per page basis on production as Webdev is working on adding this feature to our new platform. If all goes well, we should be able to push contribute pages to the world in a couple of weeks.
(Assignee)

Comment 34

6 years ago
(In reply to James Mike DuPont from comment #10)
> Thank, 
> please Keep this open until we have feedback from all contributors, 
> my purpose here is to get new contributors, that means to respect them, give
> the feedback and not ignore them. 
> thanks
> mike

My purpose since 2003 has been to have Mozilla products localized into Albanian. They have been so, so far. And I do not intend to abandon them. If you like to get contributors to your projects, I'm all for it and I could help mentioning many of them in great need for contributing. Insisting to switch from a competing translation to a sandbox of translating with poor quality output is a regress. It makes no sense to ask my agreement on that. So far for the technical part of it.

On the ethical side, your move to start a translation behind my back, without any prior notice or discussion, in full knowledge that I've been taking care of all Mozilla matters in regards of sq locale for years, shouldn't have happened, if you care about "respecting". 

You talk about an "albanian team" whose existence I'm unaware of. Sure, you're not talking about a Mozilla Albanian team. Nor a Mozilla Albania team. Had one been created, I'd be glad to help and collaborate with. And have you promoted to "coordinator", if they'd decided for. But that's yet to come.
(Assignee)

Comment 35

6 years ago
(In reply to Pascal Chevrel:pascalc from comment #27)
> (In reply to Besnik Bleta from comment #25)
> > What email address are others locales using or plan to use for that?  
> > 
> > (In reply to Pascal Chevrel:pascalc from comment #23)
> > > What email address should we use for the contact form ?
> 
> For the French community, we just created an alias (contact@mozfr.org) that
> goes to my email address, this way we can change the target of the alias if
> at some point I want to delegate this task to another contributor. I believe
> Spanish does the same 


+1 for an alias (albanian@mozilla.org perhaps?) until an association dedicated to Mozilla is created on the ground.
+1 for an alias. No reason to delegate the communication
cc Redon

Any progress on getting a Mozilla Albania domain / site setup?
(Assignee)

Comment 37

6 years ago
(In reply to Brian King [:kinger] from comment #36)
> cc Redon
> 
> Any progress on getting a Mozilla Albania domain / site setup?

No, AFAIK. 
Both the domain and the site could have been bought and build by myself years ago. I refrained to do so though, for there was no any association or community who would endorse the domain. I can do it now, but I'm against building appearances. Having the site first and than build the community didn't work as expected. Look at the mozilla-kosovo.org. The site has been dead for over 16 months.

If the activists from http://openlabs.cc/ believe that a domain could boost their efforts, I would be happy to provide for that.

Comment 38

6 years ago
Brian and Besnik hi,

Brian we are exchanging daily emails with Mozilla reps from Kosovo in order to proceed with it asap. Wednesday 16.01.2013 will send you a detailed update of where we are. 

Besnik, one of the reasons we started working on the website was the fact that we are not familiar on working with bugzilla and the procedures of the Mozilla community. This procedure helps us know the community better and the workflow that is implemented from the community for different tasks. So at this stage it's like an exercise for us.  
I agree that a website doesn't necessarily create an community, but we need it as a tool that will help us get youngsters and in general people that have the same goal with us on board. We need to have a point of reference for all the activities done by you and by other Mozilla supporters in Albania also in order to have a clear view of what is the activity in Albania hoping that this will gather discussion and enthusiasm around the projects. 
Another reason is documentation, which always helps spreading the word on a local and international level.


best,
---
Redon Skikuli

(In reply to Besnik Bleta from comment #37)
> (In reply to Brian King [:kinger] from comment #36)
> > cc Redon
> > 
> > Any progress on getting a Mozilla Albania domain / site setup?
> 
> No, AFAIK. 
> Both the domain and the site could have been bought and build by myself
> years ago. I refrained to do so though, for there was no any association or
> community who would endorse the domain. I can do it now, but I'm against
> building appearances. Having the site first and than build the community
> didn't work as expected. Look at the mozilla-kosovo.org. The site has been
> dead for over 16 months.
> 
> If the activists from http://openlabs.cc/ believe that a domain could boost
> their efforts, I would be happy to provide for that.
(Assignee)

Comment 39

6 years ago
Agreed. 

(In reply to Redon Skikuli from comment #38)
> Brian and Besnik hi,
> 
> Brian we are exchanging daily emails with Mozilla reps from Kosovo in order
> to proceed with it asap. Wednesday 16.01.2013 will send you a detailed
> update of where we are. 

Their site provides a good template. 

> Besnik, one of the reasons we started working on the website was the fact
> that we are not familiar on working with bugzilla and the procedures of the
> Mozilla community. This procedure helps us know the community better and the
> workflow that is implemented from the community for different tasks. So at
> this stage it's like an exercise for us.  
> I agree that a website doesn't necessarily create an community, but we need
> it as a tool that will help us get youngsters and in general people that
> have the same goal with us on board. We need to have a point of reference
> for all the activities done by you and by other Mozilla supporters in
> Albania also in order to have a clear view of what is the activity in
> Albania hoping that this will gather discussion and enthusiasm around the
> projects.

Let me know if my financial support is needed for buying the domain name. I also have plenty of server space to host the site, so it could save you some money. Both offers would be gift, i.e. not intended to assure any sort of control over your project.
I think Mozilla is going to look after domain and hosting needs. See bug 830481.

I'm marking this bug as dependent on that for now because email addresses will come as part of the package that can be used for the contribute form. Let me know if you think it shouldn't be dependent.
Depends on: 830481
(Assignee)

Comment 41

6 years ago
I can't give any opinion before looking over bug 830481. (You are not authorized to access bug #830481.)
OS: Mac OS X → All
Hardware: x86 → All
(In reply to Besnik Bleta from comment #41)
> I can't give any opinion before looking over bug 830481. (You are not
> authorized to access bug #830481.)

Added.
(Assignee)

Comment 43

6 years ago
(In reply to Brian King [:kinger] from comment #40)
> Let me know if you think it shouldn't be dependent.

The dependency is OK for me.
(Assignee)

Comment 44

6 years ago
(In reply to Besnik Bleta from comment #35)
> (In reply to Pascal Chevrel:pascalc from comment #27)
> > (In reply to Besnik Bleta from comment #25)
> > > What email address are others locales using or plan to use for that?  
> > > 
> > > (In reply to Pascal Chevrel:pascalc from comment #23)
> > > > What email address should we use for the contact form ?
> > 
> > For the French community, we just created an alias (contact@mozfr.org) that
> > goes to my email address, this way we can change the target of the alias if
> > at some point I want to delegate this task to another contributor. I believe
> > Spanish does the same 
> 
> 
> +1 for an alias (albanian@mozilla.org perhaps?) until an association
> dedicated to Mozilla is created on the ground.
> +1 for an alias. No reason to delegate the communication

Now that mozilla-albania.org is created, could I ask for an alias for all l10n matters? I'd like to know any opinion about such request especially from Brian and Redon.
(In reply to Besnik Bleta from comment #44)
> Now that mozilla-albania.org is created, could I ask for an alias for all
> l10n matters? I'd like to know any opinion about such request especially
> from Brian and Redon.

That is up to you and the team. I think this request better belongs in another bug, one that requests setting up of email on the domain if you don't already have a solution for it.
(Assignee)

Comment 46

6 years ago
On bug 830481 you can see that the requests were made for real people rather than for specific areas (say fund-raising, volunteering, l10n, activities, you name it). I wasn't nominated. And I'd prefer to get the information about all things related to Mozilla l10n first hand and raw. Preferably under @mozilla-albania.org. But I won't start a war to have that. And since aliases seem to be used by other teams as well, I thought might hurt nobody to ask for such.
I see that Besnik finished the translation work for the page (thanks mate!). Any news about the email target for the form?
Ping again regarding my last comment, the page is done but if we don't have somebody to answer emails on the other end of the form, there isn't much point in creating that page, is there? :)
(Assignee)

Comment 49

6 years ago
Please, use either my email or an alias for it, until our friends have better ideas on how to make use of the domain created, and generally about their involvement with Mozilla. I'll respond CC-ing all four emails mentioned above, until the thing takes off. After that I'd be interested on covering only l10n matters.

Comment 50

6 years ago
No need to be ironic Besnik. Just a rmeinder: we are on the same side here
Let me know the exact domain needed for the activities you'd like to work on. I'll send you username and passowrd once I have this info.



(In reply to Besnik Bleta from comment #49)
> Please, use either my email or an alias for it, until our friends have
> better ideas on how to make use of the domain created, and generally about
> their involvement with Mozilla. I'll respond CC-ing all four emails
> mentioned above, until the thing takes off. After that I'd be interested on
> covering only l10n matters.
(Assignee)

Comment 51

6 years ago
(In reply to Redon Skikuli from comment #50)

My irony was intentional. It was thought as one of last efforts to draw your attention over things we're repeatedly urged you to take care, according to what your promises have been.

Back on your comment 38, March 14th we were promised to have a status update two days latter, on March 16th. Nothing arrived. No news. No apologies. Nothing.

On comment 44 I asked explicitly your opinion. No comment of any kind from you. That's was almost three weeks ago.

The same for my comment 46. The same for comment 47 and 48 from Pascal.

Here on the bug there's no info about what was needed. Neither did I get any comment in private. You might have them somewhere on your side, but I don't know where to look for them.

So much about sides.
This page has been ready for 6 months, even the 15 years of Mozilla campaign is translated and all this is bitrotting on the dev server per lack of a target email for forms. We will use Besnik email as a contact point for now so as to not waste both contributors opportunities and Besnik's continuous l10n work on this project.
Created attachment 734180 [details]
Pointer to Github pull request: https://github.com/mozilla/bedrock/pull/753

Pointer to Github pull-request

Comment 54

6 years ago
I see.
@Pascal: you are right. Mea culpa about the delays. It seems like Besnik is the only guy who can deliver, so please don't count me in for this issue.  
ps: everyday it is clear to me why there has never been a Mozilla COMMUNITY in Albania.

best,
---
Redon Skikuli
I don't understand. The emails were set up a few weeks ago in bug 830481. Why can't one of them be used here?
(Assignee)

Comment 56

6 years ago
(In reply to Brian King [:kinger] from comment #55)
> Why can't one of them be used here?

See the first part of my comment 46 about why it seems to me inappropriate to use one of them. That's only my concern. Nobody is supposed to be bound by them. OTOH remaining in silence while concerns are raised, only makes one's stand seem more equivocal that it might be.

Comment 57

6 years ago
Commits pushed to master at https://github.com/mozilla/bedrock

https://github.com/mozilla/bedrock/commit/2506ba2819be1a58b378c660f9f4087a13708170
Bug 795033: Add Serbian email contact for contribute page

https://github.com/mozilla/bedrock/commit/bbadf8d13a51bb6a5cac96faf7fcf04e0b0558a2
Merge pull request #754 from pascalchevrel/bug-796066-sr-contribute-page

Bug 795033: Add Serbian email contact for contribute page

Comment 58

6 years ago
Commit pushed to master at https://github.com/mozilla/bedrock

https://github.com/mozilla/bedrock/commit/07530bad778feed441d73fc47fef5b92ea19c8f3
Bug 795033: Add Besnik email as contact point for fy-NL contribute page, activate MOZ15 flag
fixed on dev https://www.allizom.org/sq/contribute/.
Status: NEW → RESOLVED
Last Resolved: 6 years ago
Resolution: --- → FIXED
I am going to reopen this until we get the email changed from Besnik's personal one to a community alias.
Status: RESOLVED → REOPENED
Resolution: FIXED → ---

Comment 62

6 years ago
I sent comment to Dumitru:
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=830481#c21

Be in touch,
Sokol
(Assignee)

Comment 63

6 years ago
Pascal, 

Please change my email to my new one:

besnik@mozilla-albania.org

which match better the purpose.
Created attachment 739003 [details]
Pointer to Github pull request: https://github.com/mozilla/bedrock/pull/786

Pointer to Github pull-request
Sorry to chime in here again, but the ideal situation is that these inquiries don't go to one individual, but to an alias with more than one person on it. Why?

- Not too much burden on one person
- Person might be away from email for an extended period

Besnik, I have full confidence that you will be able to handle the emails, but the main thing is that you are aware of the opportunities in Mozilla Albania and refer individuals there if nedded.

More information that might help:
https://wiki.mozilla.org/Contribute/Funnels/Process
(Assignee)

Comment 67

6 years ago
(In reply to Brian King [:kinger] from comment #66)

I completely agree with you, and I've tried to express the same view. Different fields of activity would have aliases as a contact points. That's why I had concerns about using "internal style" emails like gimi@mozilla-albania.org or vjollca@mozilla-albania.org.

For not keeping the bug opened indefinitely, I proposed using my email, UNTIL the proper ones (either formal or informal style) be handed. I have no intention of becoming an interface between mozilla-albania.org and the rest of the world. That's community's task. I can't speak for the community. 

The change from my personal email to the one under mozilla-albania.org is only one further step, not the real solution. And its use something to be considered temporary. In long terms community should take over the task. I got involved here only because of this bug, which falls under l10n.

Contrary to your beliefs, I'm not aware of the opportunities within mozilla-albania.org. Being in the very beginning, there's no public information about those so far. Living outside of the country doesn't help much here either, as I might have missed meetings/ discussions. I hope we won't have to wait too long.
Besnik, thanks. I agree this bug no longer needs to be open. I've filed bug 864058 for the alias setup.
Status: REOPENED → RESOLVED
Last Resolved: 6 years ago6 years ago
Resolution: --- → FIXED
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