154178 - Bookmarks menu changes

Status: RESOLVED WONTFIX

(Camino Graveyard :: Toolbars & Menus, enhancement)

Description

[Dave Barrowman]

- make Manage Bookmarks open the sidebar
- eliminate the Create New Folder and Create New Separator items 
- make Import Bookmarks... a top level menu item in the Bookmarks menu

Comment 1

[Winnie Lam]

More UI polish issues:

Bookmarks, Manage Bookmarks, Create New Separator does not work. Possible: take
out Create New Folder and do all bookmark management via the sidebar. Manage
Bookmarks can become a top level menu item, and Import Bookmarks can move to the
top level menu below Manage Bookmarks.

Comment 2

[Mike Pinkerton (not reading bugmail)]

having the only way to accomplish these tasks be buttons in the sidebar is
probably bad for accessibility. though on the other hand, burying them in a
hierarchical menu isn't great for that either ;)

discuss.

Comment 3

[Kathleen :Brade]

Please don't take away the menu items (Create New Folder); many people rely on
menu items plus it is an accessibility issue.

Is there a bug for "New separator" not working?

I am happy with the menu structure as it is until we get some usability feedback
(please don't move the bookmarks I use down further to insert "import" or other
items which I'm unlikely to use regularly).  The current structure favors
important items (as top-level) and less-used in the sub-menu.

I think it'd be nice to allow users to (1) edit a bookmark and (2) delete a
bookmark from the menu too but it's probably not worth doing right now.

my 2 cents...

Comment 4

[Dave Barrowman]

For what it's worth, MachV does not let you add folders & separators from the
Bookmarks menu.

I'm happy to keep the menu as is, though we should at least push "Import
Bookmarks..." to the bottom of the list, with a blank line above it, since, as
is pointed out above, it is the least frequently used of these items.

So what I propose is:

Bookmarks
  Add Page to Bookmarks...
  Manage Bookmarks
    Show Bookmarks in Sidebar
    <spacer>
    Create New Folder
    Create New Separator
    <spacer>
    Import Bookmarks...
  <spacer>
  [Bookmark List]

Comment 5

[Mike Pinkerton (not reading bugmail)]

moved import bookmarks to the bottom of the submenu. removing from the polish
blocker list until we get some more feedback on what we want to do here.

Comment 6

[Stephane Moureau]

Is it not obsolete with bug 178963 ?

Comment 7

[Simon Fraser [no longer active]]

*** Bug 178963 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. ***

Comment 8

[Simon Fraser [no longer active]]

See bug 178963 for discussion of import/export.

Comment 9

[sairuh (rarely reading bugmail)]

to simon, but punt as needed.

Comment 10

[Stephane Moureau]

A 'cleaner' layout, one group at one place, will be simpler to understand.

'' means a separator blank line menu item.
'Add Page to Bookmarks...' is renamed 'Add Bookmark...', see bug 188669.
'Bookmarks Toolbar' is renamed 'Bookmarks Bar', see bug 188667
'Bookmarks Toolbar' is renamed 'Bookmarks Bars', see bug 188577.
'Sidebar' is renamed 'Drawer', see bug 181148.


Bookmarks > Add Bookmark...
Bookmarks > ''
Bookmarks > Bookmarks Bar(s) > 'hierarchical with all bars and their items'
Bookmarks > ''
Bookmarks > 'list of bookmarks'


View > Show/Hide Toolbar
View > Customize Toolbar...
View > ''
View > Show/Hide Bookmarks Bar
View > Show/Hide Status Bar {see bug 159233}
View > ''
View > Show/Hide Drawer
(View > Show Bookmarks in Drawer) {see bug 185933}
(View > Show History in Drawer)

File > Import Bookmarks...
File > Export Bookmarks...

The first block of the View menu is for Page contents/bars.
The second block of the View menu is for Drawer contents.

Comment 11

[dan.m]

I agree work needs to be done in this area. Specifically, browsers typically
have a "Manage/Edit" Bookmarks command, which will open a bookmarks dialog
window (Camino and OmniWeb are the only two exceptions I can think of). 

I actually prefer the dialog route, because when I "manage" I'm not going in to
change one bookmark's name or another's location. I go in there to basically
clean house. As it is now, that's not as easy as it should be with the existing
drawer. I would like to use a dialog that let's me see everything in a folder
tree format, complete with: 

clikable name and URL editing; 

deletion by highlighting an item and clicking my "Delete" key;
 
the ability to add and move separators (this is another bug I think);

drag and drop for anything in the dialog (folders, bookmarks, separators);

and of course the ability to create new folders in the first place

Overall, Bookmark management is one of Camino's biggest weaknesses in terms of
flexibility and providing functionality people are used to with other browsers....

Comment 12

[Jasper]

Some of these (we don't have a sidebar anymore) request should be added to Bug
212630?

Comment 13

[Chris Casciano]

indeed... marking this dependant on bug 212630.. once those are in anything not
addressed by that patch can be loooked at here (or this bug marked a dupe of
whatever specific issue is left... e.g. export)

Comment 14

[Mike Pinkerton (not reading bugmail)]

is there any point keeping this open?

Comment 15

[Mike Pinkerton (not reading bugmail)]

closing, if there are issues that are still relevant, please open new bugs.