NNTP news needs to be moved to a mozilla.org server as part of the process of transitioning mozilla.org to the Mozilla Foundation, f.e. by completing configuration of smaug (or its replacement) and then moving that machine into the mozilla.org colo space.
Summary: NNTP news needs to be moved to mozilla.org server → move NNTP news (news.mozilla.org) to mozilla.org server
Will the newsgroups still be netscape.public.mozilla.*?
From the sound of things at the last transition meeting I got the impression that the "netscape.public." part was going to get dropped off the front (because MF isn't Netscape anymore).
For now let's leave everything under netscape.public.mozilla until we get an official mozilla.* newsgroup hierarchy approved. I think we have enough to do as it is.
Status: NEW → ASSIGNED
(In reply to comment #3) > For now let's leave everything under netscape.public.mozilla until we get an > official mozilla.* newsgroup hierarchy approved. I think we have enough to do as > it is. Is this the list: http://www.mozilla.org.uk/newsgroups.txt Has it been approved? If not, where can I send feedback? Is there anything I can do to help?
From bug 62228: The situation is that we are currently still using Netscape's news server. We have hardware for our own news server, but no resources to spare to set it up, create the new groups, work out a transition plan and so on. This bug would be far more likely to happen if an experienced news server admin stepped forward and was able to commit to doing that work for us, and looking after the server going forward. (This is really bug 215294). So there's a challenge for anyone who wants to see this happen. :-| Gerv
So should there now be a new news hierarchie mozilla.* as per http://www.mozilla.org.uk/newsgroups.txt or should everything be left under netscape.public.mozilla.*?
There should be a new hierarchy under mozilla.* similar to the one in newsgroups.txt, but not exactly -- that plan is a bit outdated and needs some revision.
I had administered INN at my school until a few years ago. It's been a while so that I have to refresh my memory. A couple of questions: - Do we have control over the netscape news server? - Have we decided which news server software to use on our new server? Perhaps, we have to write a set of custom-scripts/programs to retrieve articles from the netscape server via NNTP, to rename newsgroup names in newsgroups header (while probably keeping article IDs) and to feed them to our new server. I don't have much free time, but I'm willing to help.
(In reply to comment #8) > Perhaps, we have to write a set of custom-scripts/programs to retrieve articles > from the netscape server via NNTP, to rename newsgroup names in newsgroups > header (while probably keeping article IDs) and to feed them to our new server. IMHO the old server with it's groups should just be left alone and the groups rmgroup'ed. Then we can open the new mozilla.* hierarchy on the new server.
Another issue that came to my mind (please point me to some comment/newsgroup posting in another Bug if this has been already discussed to some final conclusion): Should the mozilla.* hierarchy only be distributed to news.mozilla.org or also to other news servers (i would say dev groups no, user groups yes)?
I've been corresponding with Gerv Markham about helping to set up the new news server since april, after seeing the project mentioned in some meeting minutes. Gerv eventually directed me to Myk Melez, who directed me to Markus Baur. Markus hasn't answered the email I sent him, and Gerv hasn't yet responded to a recent message I sent him. I have a lot of time to work on this next week, but I need a point of contact who can set up the access I need and discuss the exact scope of work.
Seeing as how DevEdge and developer.netscape.com are effectively dead, I am now concerned that the Netscape Server - Ports 119/563 is headed the same way. And so goes that server so goes news.mozilla.org. Somebody close to the project should maybe make some noise over at AOL/Netscape, yes?
Yes, and we have been and are continuing to do so.
These last two comments seem to be saying you're waiting on AOL to do something. I thought the goal here was to set up a news server independent of AOL. How is some inaction by AOL holding that up? Why did the foundation call for a volunteer news administrator last april when it wasn't ready to move forward with the project?
(In reply to comment #14) > These last two comments seem to be saying you're waiting on AOL to do something. You have to consider AOL's past history of dealing with things "Netscape". They purchase the company, terminate the employees effectively killing further development of the application, close the offices, etc. The Netscape News Server's fate is now in a state of uncertainty now that AOL has killed developer.netscape.com and DevEdge. So, what makes one think that the news server will somehow miraculously be spared the same fate? Personally I don't think that AOL will do this to the Foundation. And then AOL releases NS 7.2 and is slated to release another update/upgrade in January(?) which makes me think that the server is on the proverbial "hot seat" so to speak, all the more reason to spin the news.mozilla.org groups elsewhere. From what I gather up to this point is that the physical server is ready to go in it's physical location but an admin is needed before it will go online. I believe it was Gerve (?) that made the point that the admin should be in from the start able to give input on the new groups list as it's written at the moment and it would be unfair to "hire" an admin to NOT have this input. That's what I gather at least ... I've been having a running dialog with an AOL Web Properties Programming Manager who is supposed to be putting me in touch with a Netscape team manager. My concern is Netscape Support that we Netscape Champions have been providing on that server since it came online in 1995. And since news.mozilla.org is also hosted on that server, the fate of both is a twofold concern, you lose one you lose both. I would of course be most willing to combine resources and lend a hand to M.O Someone mentioned Markus Bauer (News Server Admin) in a previous reply. I've known Markus for many years and assisted him with the admin of the server. From past experience, don't hold your breath waiting for an email reply. I emailed him wanting to add n.p.m.firefox in order to move the discussions away from .firebird .. Been over 4 months now waiting for a reply. Sorry Markus, gotta tell it like it is.
(In reply to comment #14) > These last two comments seem to be saying you're waiting on AOL to do something. If anything, the uncertainty of news.mozilla.org should add a sense of urgency to this bug, and give it more priority.
Assignee: mbaur → justdave
Status: ASSIGNED → NEW
Component: Server Operations → Server Operations Projects
QA Contact: myk → justin
*** This bug has been marked as a duplicate of 173864 ***
Product: mozilla.org → mozilla.org Graveyard
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